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Does God Exist?

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#781  PostMarch 23rd, 2012, 7:10 pm

Xris wrote:
Misty wrote:To some people GOD IS.

To some people GOD IS NOT.

The rest of the people don't care one way or the other.

Live and Let Live

Our world can house us All.

Do you think it is correct to introduce children to the certainty of god before the age of fourteen?


If a child asks me what I believe I will tell them. If a the ask "Does Santa Cluase exist?" I will say in one way yes in another no.Then I would explain further if they continued to be inquisitive. If a child asks me "Does God exist?" I will tell them I believe God does exist but based on experiences I've had. Whether they chose to believe or not should be up to them to decide.

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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#782  PostMarch 23rd, 2012, 9:19 pm

dparrott wrote:If a child asks me "Does God exist?" I will tell them I believe God does exist but based on experiences I've had. Whether they chose to believe or not should be up to them to decide.

Yet my response would be, "Absolutely without question, but you have to know what it means."
But then I don't do the "faith" thing, but rather the "fact" thing.
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Hopes and Threats that lead to the Maximum Momentum of Self-Harmony for the Living - Measure your Progress.
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From THIS age of sleep, Homosapian shall never awake.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#783  PostMarch 23rd, 2012, 11:07 pm

James S Saint wrote:
dparrott wrote:If a child asks me "Does God exist?" I will tell them I believe God does exist but based on experiences I've had. Whether they chose to believe or not should be up to them to decide.

Yet my response would be, "Absolutely without question, but you have to know what it means."
But then I don't do the "faith" thing, but rather the "fact" thing.


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#784  PostMarch 24th, 2012, 9:43 am

dparrott wrote:
Xris wrote:
Misty wrote:To some people GOD IS.

To some people GOD IS NOT.

The rest of the people don't care one way or the other.

Live and Let Live

Our world can house us All.

Do you think it is correct to introduce children to the certainty of god before the age of fourteen?


If a child asks me what I believe I will tell them. If a the ask "Does Santa Cluase exist?" I will say in one way yes in another no.Then I would explain further if they continued to be inquisitive. If a child asks me "Does God exist?" I will tell them I believe God does exist but based on experiences I've had. Whether they chose to believe or not should be up to them to decide.

I am not talking about casual conversation but introduction in a formal manner. Sex has been to be introduced at a point when it is suitable why not god?
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#785  PostMarch 24th, 2012, 6:47 pm

Xris wrote:
dparrott wrote:
Xris wrote:
Misty wrote:To some people GOD IS.

To some people GOD IS NOT.

The rest of the people don't care one way or the other.

Live and Let Live

Our world can house us All.

Do you think it is correct to introduce children to the certainty of god before the age of fourteen?


If a child asks me what I believe I will tell them. If a the ask "Does Santa Cluase exist?" I will say in one way yes in another no.Then I would explain further if they continued to be inquisitive. If a child asks me "Does God exist?" I will tell them I believe God does exist but based on experiences I've had. Whether they chose to believe or not should be up to them to decide.

I am not talking about casual conversation but introduction in a formal manner. Sex has been to be introduced at a point when it is suitable why not god?


I understand your question Xris but when a child is old enough to ask a question they are old enough to get an answer. When I was five I asked my Mom where my little brother came from. She sat me down and showed me a medical encylopedia and explained everything to me in medical terms. I'm glad that she did it that way instead of the whole metephore thing that parents often do today. If the question of God arises then I believe it should be done in a similar manner.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#786  PostMarch 25th, 2012, 8:42 am

dparrott wrote:
Xris wrote:
dparrott wrote:
Xris wrote:
Misty wrote:To some people GOD IS.

To some people GOD IS NOT.

The rest of the people don't care one way or the other.

Live and Let Live

Our world can house us All.

Do you think it is correct to introduce children to the certainty of god before the age of fourteen?


If a child asks me what I believe I will tell them. If a the ask "Does Santa Cluase exist?" I will say in one way yes in another no.Then I would explain further if they continued to be inquisitive. If a child asks me "Does God exist?" I will tell them I believe God does exist but based on experiences I've had. Whether they chose to believe or not should be up to them to decide.

I am not talking about casual conversation but introduction in a formal manner. Sex has been to be introduced at a point when it is suitable why not god?


I understand your question Xris but when a child is old enough to ask a question they are old enough to get an answer. When I was five I asked my Mom where my little brother came from. She sat me down and showed me a medical encylopedia and explained everything to me in medical terms. I'm glad that she did it that way instead of the whole metephore thing that parents often do today. If the question of God arises then I believe it should be done in a similar manner.

But your mother gave you facts that could not be disputed she was not giving you a point of view. We should trust our parents to give unbiased information. You explaining you believe in god to a child influences that child. My children went to church primary school. I tried not influence them to my agnostic views for fear of confusing them but I was forced to give my opinion by their questions. I would have preferred they had no conflicts or religous education.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#787  PostMarch 26th, 2012, 6:36 am

The elegant universe seems to be multi dimensional leading to a holographic type nature of it's Luminous Ether. The gravitational and universal constants hint at design but what they absolutely do is set in stone the nature of existence doesn't require intervention. That's my big question. If you follow the work of Dr Bruce Lipton there is a distinct correlation between thought and DNA. Dr Stuart Hammeroff takes it a little farther and suggest the Cambrian explosion of species was in actuality caused by the size of brains reaching that critical threshold. If this is the nature of the universe that is trying to figure itself out then what is the role of a god being other than the programmer that set it in motion?
Mathematics tell us there could be ten to the power of infinity other universes. The odds of all the constants landing exactly right then becomes assured. We're lucky then I guess. Nothing implied just pondering.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#788  PostMarch 26th, 2012, 8:39 am

eyesofastranger wrote:The elegant universe seems to be multi dimensional leading to a holographic type nature of it's Luminous Ether. The gravitational and universal constants hint at design but what they absolutely do is set in stone the nature of existence doesn't require intervention. That's my big question. If you follow the work of Dr Bruce Lipton there is a distinct correlation between thought and DNA. Dr Stuart Hammeroff takes it a little farther and suggest the Cambrian explosion of species was in actuality caused by the size of brains reaching that critical threshold. If this is the nature of the universe that is trying to figure itself out then what is the role of a god being other than the programmer that set it in motion?
Mathematics tell us there could be ten to the power of infinity other universes. The odds of all the constants landing exactly right then becomes assured. We're lucky then I guess. Nothing implied just pondering.

Mathematics can indicate whatever your heart desires but it does not prove there are these alternative universes. If the only argument against determined universe is chance or luck how does luck work? From a scientific perspective nothing happens by chance or luck. It is an impossible concept. The other question we might ask is if there are so many of these alternative universes why are they so damned secretive? Is there another sods law that hides them and does not give one clue to where they may be hiding.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#789  PostJuly 15th, 2012, 6:35 pm

Yes, but as yet I cannot prove it.
Do whatever you do, do what a good man would do, and what is a good man?, I do not know, but at every point, every turn, do what a good man would do.

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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#790  PostJuly 18th, 2012, 2:54 am

Ask not, whether the existence of God is true,
Ask rather, what the theory implies.

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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#791  PostJuly 18th, 2012, 2:59 am

enegue wrote: Ask rather, what does the theory imply.

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Far too much complication. So it is much easier not to have a God. Nevertheless I still believe in God.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#792  PostJuly 18th, 2012, 2:21 pm

Bermudj wrote:Far too much complication. So it is much easier not to have a God. Nevertheless I still believe in God.

Some kids at the age of eleven still believe in Santa is that a good argument to admit Christ is holy?
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#793  PostJuly 18th, 2012, 4:15 pm

Xris wrote:Some kids at the age of eleven still believe in Santa is that a good argument to admit Christ is holy?

I believe there is a God, but I do not believe Christ was God.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#794  PostJuly 18th, 2012, 4:35 pm

Bermudj wrote:I believe there is a God, but I do not believe Christ was God.

OK but belief in Santa has just as much value. To me both statements are just the same if there is no evidence to convince me.
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Re: Does God Exist?

Post Number:#795  PostJuly 18th, 2012, 4:51 pm

Xris wrote:OK but belief in Santa has just as much value. To me both statements are just the same if there is no evidence to convince me.

Yes I appreciate belief will not convince you, nor do I have any intention of trying to convince any one. Certainly in my case, since I have been thanking God every day, "the imaginary friend", as some atheists call him, often saying to myself "I am in peace with God", I truly have a friend for life. We simply cannot trust any other human being, and I am far too cynical to believe anyone who says to me, that such and such are "so close".
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