Philosophy of Religious Finances - Mormonism
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I'm trying to understand the philosophy behind this move by the church, considering I am an active Mormon. It seems to be a contradictory message claiming to be the church of Jesus Christ and building & owning a $5,000,000,000 shopping Mall, City Creek Center in Salt Lake City.
http://www.shopcitycreekcenter.com/
This is a very elegant & high-end mall, but I can't imagine Jesus (and all he stands for) prioritizing something like this (& the many other corporations the Mormon church owns), when almost 1,000,000,000 men, women & children are starving.
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Lea ... 202002.htm
When the church was first established, celestial weddings were performed anywhere, sometimes in temples, sometimes outside of temples. When they were performed in temples, all were invited, whether they were Mormon or not. Now, in order to be considered worthy to go to heaven (celestial kingdom) and to enter the temple, one must pay 10% tithing to the church leaders. Church leaders regularly check if members are full tithe payers by conducting temple interviews and tithing settlements. Yet, they will not allow members to know how they spend church funds. I see this as contradictory.
When I bring this up to other Mormons, they say that they trust in God's servants, the prophets (church leaders).
I wonder how others see this.
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Thank you for your response. I wondered if I was the only one who was seeing a major contradiction. As mentioned, it seems that many have tried to put a price tag on hope and love.Xris wrote:From an agnostic perspective Mormonism has always been a constant stream of contradictions. So your recent revelations are not surprising. I am sure many honest roman catholics must have the same feelings when they find out how much their church is worth. You must remember jesus the man was never interested in formalising his message of hope and love. Truth be known he was a simple teacher abducted by men with desire for power and wealth.
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With all that said, the particular example given in the original post seems even absurd to me than all the rest. A 5 billion dollar church or collection plate collection would be absurdly disgusting; an openly commercial 5 billion shopping mall seems to be beyond words.
"The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master."
I believe spiritual freedom (a.k.a. self-discipline) manifests as bravery, confidence, grace, honesty, love, and inner peace.
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This is certainly true! But it's the religious gamble for power which is the most potent. Once established it is also the least vulnerable to revolution. That could be expounded as rebellion against God which includes his earthly emissaries! There just is nothing equivalent to ruling by Divine Right going back to the Pharaohs and Alexander. Sometimes I try to imagine what God's status would have amounted to if he hadn't proved to be such a useful entity in the collection of power. What would the world be like now!Xris wrote:Every common revolution has been kidnapped by men with desire for power and wealth. It does not need to be god driven. Political rebellion has the same result. As one well known revolutionist commented. We need constant rebellion.
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There is a point of view that I find fallicious, that because Jesus was poor and meek in his time that the church must also poor and meek today. Why should that be so? If people see christians living a high standard of life and being wealthy, then more people will aspire to be christians, that is natural, people gravitate towards success.
God never said in the 10 commandments, 'thou shalt be poor' or 'thou shall not prosper financially' indeed, king Solomon was the richest man who ever lived, and he was greatly loved and blessed by God, enough to write the wise proverbs. I believe that God can love both the rich and the poor equally.
Newme, I think that in makng this topic, you have created a straw man for atheists to attack. I feel that if you look at the new mall with an open mind and a 'glass half-full' approach you will begin to see the positive aspects of it.
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The Bible wrote:And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all of them who sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. — Matthew 21:12-13
Matthew 6:19
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Luke 14:33
Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money.
Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Hebrews 13:5
Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."
Phil 2:3
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.
Acts 2:44-45
All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
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Here in Melbourne there is a Unitarian 'Church' which is about 95% atheistic. I don't know how rich they are, no comparison with the Mormons, but to my knowledge they pay no tax; a bit of a conflict in interests?
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Yes , we all hold gods of varying value; I am not against Christianity per se, just some of the man made perversions of it.
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The Mormon church is not selling things inside of it like a market place, which is what happened it the scripture which Scott refers to, the Mormon church has built a shopping mall, where there will be new jobs and opportunities for continual development. Why should the church be wealthy and not use its wealth? These are the times of capitalism that we live in. By buliding a high end shopping mall, the Church has secured its financial future.
Before criticising the church, we should study the work that it has done in Christ's name i.e. how many people it has brought to Christ, what kind of charities does it support, how does it help the poor; instead of branding it as 'immoral' for building a shopping mall. I'm a theist who believes in Christ, and I would embrace becoming wealthy. If I became wealthy, I would remember the teachings of Christ and try to help people less fortunate than myself. I would think that the Mormon church is doing this, but it is also making practical use of it's wealth.
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