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Something more than religion

Post Number:#1  PostApril 15th, 2012, 6:15 am

I want to see what people think about the posibility that there might be a different truth out there than just Religion. As humans, we have came up with Science and Religion as a basis of our thoughts... but what if there were more into Science that is happening that we do not know about. There is a fine line between the two since Science is used to determine if Religion is in fact true. We have nothing else to base this off of besides books that tell us information, but give us zero proof.

Science goes beyond biased belief systems, it gives you more truth than some people can handle and has caused death and destruction for years due to the insanity of the ignorant human mind.

Let me bring into light a few things that I have come across in thought that could go past Religion and only believing in books and faith.

All humans put off great amounts of energy... and not unlike the movie the matrix, our energy has a lot of power.. even the power to destroy the world as we know it. Why hasn't there been idea's that we really are just a little section of the whole. The Earth is part of a whole Gallaxy.. and farther into the unknon.

If there is a "God" that created us, he is most likely an Alien, or what we might call since it's only language and we preceive things differently. What makes us think that this God, or Alien (singular or more than one) didn't create many different kind of planets? What if we were created in God's image and given rules to live by to see how we turned out in the end? How long it took for our world to collapse with everything we would ever need to fully function for much longer than we ever will. What if the "Aliens" put 100's or 1000's of experiamental worlds just like ours giving them different instructions and see which one lives hormonious and which ones distroy themselves. It could be for the prolonging of their own existance, or who knows strickly for their own entertainment almost like "The Truman Show".

Another thought would be if because we cause so much energy that we actually feed an energy source of some sort that prolongs an Alien race's world? Our technology has grown immensily, who would be to say that they would not want us to grow bigger than themselves so every million or so years they have to kill us off in some way or another in order for us to not actually find out the truth of our existance.

Anyways, just a few idea's out of the 1000's of others I could think of. Why are humans minds so limited to thinking farther than just religion?

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Re: Something more than religion

Post Number:#2  PostApril 15th, 2012, 9:07 am

Why aliens? How is that even slightly logical?
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Post Number:#3  PostApril 15th, 2012, 11:35 am

Invictus_88 wrote:Why aliens? How is that even slightly logical?


How are Aliens illogical? If God is a higher being (or beings), or form from another planet, that is the dictionary term of an alien. Who is to say that another being didn't create this world that we live in and it might not be this "God" that most people believe due to a book that was put together from 3 different types of languages in different area's of the world.

How is it logical that all religious people believe something that can't be proven? All from a book that Humans wrote. So again I ask, how is it that they can believe that, but they can't believe that Alien technology could have done the same thing?
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Post Number:#4  PostApril 22nd, 2012, 4:57 pm

SEE THROUGH IT ALL wrote:
Invictus_88 wrote:Why aliens? How is that even slightly logical?


How are Aliens illogical? If God is a higher being (or beings), or form from another planet, that is the dictionary term of an alien. Who is to say that another being didn't create this world that we live in and it might not be this "God" that most people believe due to a book that was put together from 3 different types of languages in different area's of the world.

How is it logical that all religious people believe something that can't be proven? All from a book that Humans wrote. So again I ask, how is it that they can believe that, but they can't believe that Alien technology could have done the same thing?


It's illogical because when we think of God we tend to think of God as - among other things - the creator of the cosmos, of all things. An alien is just a creature from a planet not our own, and thus just as spatio-temporally enmeshed in the cosmos as the rest of us. This is illogical, because the existence of an alien requires the pre-existence of the universe in a way that the existence of God does not.

So, as you see, it is not really logically defensible.
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Post Number:#5  PostApril 22nd, 2012, 10:57 pm

Invictus_88 wrote:
SEE THROUGH IT ALL wrote:
Invictus_88 wrote:Why aliens? How is that even slightly logical?


How are Aliens illogical? If God is a higher being (or beings), or form from another planet, that is the dictionary term of an alien. Who is to say that another being didn't create this world that we live in and it might not be this "God" that most people believe due to a book that was put together from 3 different types of languages in different area's of the world.

How is it logical that all religious people believe something that can't be proven? All from a book that Humans wrote. So again I ask, how is it that they can believe that, but they can't believe that Alien technology could have done the same thing?


It's illogical because when we think of God we tend to think of God as - among other things - the creator of the cosmos, of all things. An alien is just a creature from a planet not our own, and thus just as spatio-temporally enmeshed in the cosmos as the rest of us. This is illogical, because the existence of an alien requires the pre-existence of the universe in a way that the existence of God does not.

So, as you see, it is not really logically defensible.



It is defensible actually, and this is do to the fact that you can go farther than a single God as being the creater by asking yourself how this so called "God", creater of the cosmos and all things was created himself? He couldn't have put himself into existance could he? I don't think so and this eveditaly is a larger question than religion in general. If you want to take it to the God aspect and how this so called creater was created and continued to create new things, it's an ever ending question and God can be questionable as an alien due to this fact. Since we can't ever say who created the cosmos as you call it, how can you rule out anything really? If you can't explain to me how "God" himself was created, then you can't tell me that an Alien from another planet could not have done the same thing, or have the same capibilites to do such things since there could be multiple God's in that aspect that have the same power of creation. Most people believe in a single God, but through time people have believed in multiple God's and we laugh at them now for that. How do you figure relgious people should not laugh at their own thought simply because science today cannot solve the ultimate answer of why we are here.

Everything is here... and we are as this so called Jesus said "I am", concious beings. We sit and wonder what we think because we have nothing else on this Earth but procreation and death. Perhaps we are simply a plague upon the Earth and a mistake by our very nature? God is only a theory because we do not have anything else in our existance to prove or disprove the ultimate question which is much bigger than "God".
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Post Number:#6  PostApril 23rd, 2012, 5:33 am

SEE THROUGH IT ALL wrote:
Invictus_88 wrote:
SEE THROUGH IT ALL wrote:
Invictus_88 wrote:Why aliens? How is that even slightly logical?


How are Aliens illogical? If God is a higher being (or beings), or form from another planet, that is the dictionary term of an alien. Who is to say that another being didn't create this world that we live in and it might not be this "God" that most people believe due to a book that was put together from 3 different types of languages in different area's of the world.

How is it logical that all religious people believe something that can't be proven? All from a book that Humans wrote. So again I ask, how is it that they can believe that, but they can't believe that Alien technology could have done the same thing?


It's illogical because when we think of God we tend to think of God as - among other things - the creator of the cosmos, of all things. An alien is just a creature from a planet not our own, and thus just as spatio-temporally enmeshed in the cosmos as the rest of us. This is illogical, because the existence of an alien requires the pre-existence of the universe in a way that the existence of God does not.

So, as you see, it is not really logically defensible.



It is defensible actually, and this is do to the fact that you can go farther than a single God as being the creater by asking yourself how this so called "God", creater of the cosmos and all things was created himself? He couldn't have put himself into existance could he? I don't think so and this eveditaly is a larger question than religion in general. If you want to take it to the God aspect and how this so called creater was created and continued to create new things, it's an ever ending question and God can be questionable as an alien due to this fact. Since we can't ever say who created the cosmos as you call it, how can you rule out anything really? If you can't explain to me how "God" himself was created, then you can't tell me that an Alien from another planet could not have done the same thing, or have the same capibilites to do such things since there could be multiple God's in that aspect that have the same power of creation. Most people believe in a single God, but through time people have believed in multiple God's and we laugh at them now for that. How do you figure relgious people should not laugh at their own thought simply because science today cannot solve the ultimate answer of why we are here.

Everything is here... and we are as this so called Jesus said "I am", concious beings. We sit and wonder what we think because we have nothing else on this Earth but procreation and death. Perhaps we are simply a plague upon the Earth and a mistake by our very nature? God is only a theory because we do not have anything else in our existance to prove or disprove the ultimate question which is much bigger than "God".


It's not even a question, though. God, as defined as the creator of the cosmos, is by definition an uncreated creator, prime mover, summum bonum etc, so your question doesn't arise.

And even if you do raise the question, the sensible answer is not ever going to be "aliens!".

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