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Why do anything?

Post Number:#1  PostJune 27th, 2012, 9:32 pm

Like write this.

In a million different realities, I could write the perfect sentence to harvest the perfect responses. This is not that reality.

In this reality, you may or may not answer my question. You may not have an answer that is wholly suitable, although you will try deliberately to argue your case.

Chances are, you have not been endowed with the answer anymore than your fellow thinkers.

You will make a response in vain, possibly wholly believing in what you're saying, possibly skeptical, and possibly clueless. The majority of you want to assess value within yourselves; value is important in a rat race like this.

You will be wholly disappointed knowing that your value is an illusion, created for biological purposes solely.

You will doubt the legitimacy of what I am writing based on your own perceptions, which is wholly acceptable, to a degree.

I don't believe Truth is what you're searching for, instead, you search for something you can make your own. You search for a utopian society, earth will never be able to yield you that. You search to be like God, to know all.

Don't deny it, you're only doing yourself an injustice with your pride and your ego stopping you from true discovery.

I am no one significant, no accolades to show, no real point to prove.

I await your response.

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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#2  PostJune 28th, 2012, 12:59 am

Why do anything?...Like write this.


Because you can.
In a million different realities, I could write the perfect sentence to harvest the perfect responses. This is not that reality.

How can you be sore sure this is not perfect?

In this reality, you may or may not answer my question. You may not have an answer that is wholly suitable, although you will try deliberately to argue your case.

It's rather clear I'm arguing for your case not for mine.

Chances are, you have not been endowed with the answer anymore than your fellow thinkers.

Answers are not "endowed"; the kind of answers you seek come from a great deal of thought.
You will make a response in vain, possibly wholly believing in what you're saying, possibly skeptical, and possibly clueless. The majority of you want to assess value within yourselves; value is important in a rat race like this.

Then you ask in vein because you do not wish to understand.
You will be wholly disappointed knowing that your value is an illusion, created for biological purposes solely.


Then you must come to understand the power of these illusions.

You will doubt the legitimacy of what I am writing based on your own perceptions, which is wholly acceptable, to a degree.

What you say is legitimate, but you have said precious little but asked a great deal, it is you who is questioning legitimacy.

I don't believe Truth is what you're searching for, instead, you search for something you can make your own. You search for a utopian society, earth will never be able to yield you that. You search to be like God, to know all.


A truth we can all make our own, in our own utopia.

Don't deny it, you're only doing yourself an injustice with your pride and your ego stopping you from true discovery.

Thats a false accusation if you can't answer this question of yours.

I am no one significant, no accolades to show, no real point to prove.


If that is the role you choose than so be it.

I await your response.
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#3  PostJune 28th, 2012, 4:17 am

wanabe wrote:
Why do anything?...Like write this.

Because you can.


Is will the means to act? If I can, does that mean I will? Why will I or wont I?

In a million different realities, I could write the perfect sentence to harvest the perfect responses. This is not that reality.

How can you be so sure this is not perfect?


To me, it is imperfect, it is not the sentence I would write if I could write one better.

In this reality, you may or may not answer my question. You may not have an answer that is wholly suitable, although you will try deliberately to argue your case.

It's rather clear I'm arguing for your case not for mine.


You exceed the norm

Chances are, you have not been endowed with the answer anymore than your fellow thinkers.

Answers are not "endowed"; the kind of answers you seek come from a great deal of thought.



That is True

You will make a response in vain, possibly wholly believing in what you're saying, possibly skeptical, and possibly clueless. The majority of you want to assess value within yourselves; value is important in a rat race like this.

Then you ask in vein because you do not wish to understand.


I understand well enough, unless I am proved otherwise.

You will be wholly disappointed knowing that your value is an illusion, created for biological purposes solely.

Then you must come to understand the power of these illusions.


That is also true.

You will doubt the legitimacy of what I am writing based on your own perceptions, which is wholly acceptable, to a degree.

What you say is legitimate, but you have said precious little but asked a great deal, it is you who is questioning legitimacy.


I am sure you have some ulterior motive I am not picking up on, I wish I could, but I am unable. Thus, you will perceive me as incompetent and identify me as useless.

I don't believe Truth is what you're searching for, instead, you search for something you can make your own. You search for a utopian society, earth will never be able to yield you that. You search to be like God, to know all.

A truth we can all make our own, in our own utopia.


Truth is only the stepping stone.

Don't deny it, you're only doing yourself an injustice with your pride and your ego stopping you from true discovery.

Thats a false accusation if you can't answer this question of yours.


Why?

I am no one significant, no accolades to show, no real point to prove.

If that is the role you choose than so be it.


Any other role would prove inauthentic and just as valueless in the search for answers.
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#4  PostJune 28th, 2012, 4:29 am

Why search for answers?
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#5  PostJune 28th, 2012, 4:56 am

Maldon007 wrote:Why search for answers?


I don't know!? To 'be happy?'
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Post Number:#6  PostJune 28th, 2012, 5:22 am

I'm not gonna ask- why be happy? So don't answer!
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#7  PostJune 28th, 2012, 5:37 am

Why be happy? Because within the constraints of our nature, it is deemed the most valuable of qualities in life. But I ask you now, why are things valuable?
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#8  PostJune 28th, 2012, 5:38 am

They are not?
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Post Number:#9  PostJune 28th, 2012, 5:47 am

Yes they are! You define things that are valuable everyday. Your time is value, so what do you invest that is worth the value of your time?

Without value, there would be no meaning, anything wouldnt be distinctively different than anything else.
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#10  PostJune 28th, 2012, 9:52 am

I knew you would figure it out! You just needed someone to help.




(that is, for you to help someone, not someone to help you)
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#11  PostJune 28th, 2012, 1:47 pm

You messed up the quotes a bit...

Ecstasydeprivation wrote:Is will the means to act? If I can, does that mean I will? Why will I or wont I?


It can be. "I will" means that you will do this thing in the future. "You will" because you want to, self referencing as it may be, without a specific case that's as good as the answer gets.

To me, it is imperfect, it is not the sentence I would write if I could write one better.


How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a would chuck could chuck wood? But in all seriousness: you decide what perfect is for you.

You exceed the norm

Why thank you, thats because there is no "norm".
I understand well enough, unless I am proved otherwise.


"Well enough" is not the same as well, if you are ready to dismiss this proof then you simply have no will(there's that word again) for finding value.

I am sure you have some ulterior motive I am not picking up on, I wish I could, but I am unable. Thus, you will perceive me as incompetent and identify me as useless.

I may well have an ulterior motive(I don't really) that does not mean you won't be the primary beneficiary of this exchange.

Truth is only the stepping stone.

Not only but; so now you see that we lay our own path.

Ecstasydeprivation wrote:Don't deny it, you're only doing yourself an injustice with your pride and your ego stopping you from true discovery.


wanabe wrote:Thats a false accusation if you can't answer this question of yours.

Ecstasydeprivation wrote:Why?

You didn't know what the answer is going to be so you couldn't have properly made that accusation: that we our doing ourselves an injustice.

Ecstasydeprivation wrote:Any other role would prove inauthentic and just as valueless in the search for answers.


Authenticity, humbug. life is not a legal ledger, or a play. You decide your "role".

That's your problem: you "know" all these "facts" but can't decide what to do with them. You are not as certain as you try to convince your self you are.
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#12  PostJune 28th, 2012, 2:46 pm

Ecstasydeprivation wrote:Like write this.

In a million different realities, I could write the perfect sentence to harvest the perfect responses. This is not that reality.

In this reality, you may or may not answer my question. You may not have an answer that is wholly suitable, although you will try deliberately to argue your case.

Chances are, you have not been endowed with the answer anymore than your fellow thinkers.

You will make a response in vain, possibly wholly believing in what you're saying, possibly skeptical, and possibly clueless. The majority of you want to assess value within yourselves; value is important in a rat race like this.

You will be wholly disappointed knowing that your value is an illusion, created for biological purposes solely.

You will doubt the legitimacy of what I am writing based on your own perceptions, which is wholly acceptable, to a degree.

I don't believe Truth is what you're searching for, instead, you search for something you can make your own. You search for a utopian society, earth will never be able to yield you that. You search to be like God, to know all.

Don't deny it, you're only doing yourself an injustice with your pride and your ego stopping you from true discovery.

I am no one significant, no accolades to show, no real point to prove.

I await your response.



Your whole question is why do something abstract, such as search for meaning. You neglect the physical. I'm a hedonist, I drink, take drugs and shag. it feels great. It's better than not doing it. Is it real? Irrelevant! whether the feeling of greatness is true or simulation, feels the same to me.
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Post Number:#13  PostJune 28th, 2012, 3:03 pm

'We' are all playing the "game od Life' for the want of soemthing to do. After all what else is there in absolute nothingness. Therefore it is up to us to make our life worthwhile because Life is the best there is.
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Post Number:#14  PostJune 28th, 2012, 6:38 pm

wanabe wrote:It can be. "I will" means that you will do this thing in the future. "You will" because you want to, self referencing as it may be, without a specific case that's as good as the answer gets.


Why do I want to?

wanabe wrote:How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a would chuck could chuck wood? But in all seriousness: you decide what perfect is for you.


That pretty much sums up my dilemma right there. What if the perfection I perceive as perfect, is always something of disappointment in the end.

wanabe wrote:Why thank you, thats because there is no "norm".


Than you are still an exception anyway.

wanabe wrote:"Well enough" is not the same as well, if you are ready to dismiss this proof then you simply have no will(there's that word again) for finding value.


I see the value, I just don't understand value. Its purpose is to separate and define what is something to do or not to do with the limited amount of time to will I've been given.
I may well have an ulterior motive(I don't really) that does not mean you won't be the primary beneficiary of this exchange.


You value this as something worth your time, why?

Not only but; so now you see that we lay our own path.


I'm not sure what I see!

You didn't know what the answer is going to be so you couldn't have properly made that accusation: that we our doing ourselves an injustice.


Because it possibly could have been a justice or something other? I understand this. It is only through my limited perception that I assumed. I'm afraid my use of words isn't as specific/clear as I'd like them to be.

Authenticity, humbug. life is not a legal ledger, or a play. You decide your "role".


If it's not authentic, how can it have value? How could I live life if it's inauthentic.

That's your problem: you "know" all these "facts" but can't decide what to do with them. You are not as certain as you try to convince your self you are.


You're true, I am completely uncertain, of everything. Possibly even of believing what I've just said.

-- Updated June 28th, 2012, 6:51 pm to add the following --

Grendel wrote:Your whole question is why do something abstract, such as search for meaning. You neglect the physical. I'm a hedonist, I drink, take drugs and shag. it feels great. It's better than not doing it. Is it real? Irrelevant! whether the feeling of greatness is true or simulation, feels the same to me.


That is one interpreted answer.

Realness to me is entirely relevant.

My definition of realness is intercepted with Truth. If Truth doesn't exist, why do anything? We couldn't exist without Truth. Particles could not exist, certain physical constants could not maintain themselves without Truth in their compatibility with one another. They were each designed to represent their own individual Truth, to than integrate with one another to form this reality.

Truth is a way of life, and I'm not so sure if living for the means of physicality is the way we are supposed to devote our energy to entirely.

Thank you for replying, there is Truth in different perspectives. I'm feeling a little overwhelmed right now though, kind of afraid I wont ever come to an answer.

-- Updated June 28th, 2012, 7:01 pm to add the following --

Clapper wrote:'We' are all playing the "game of Life' for the want of something to do. After all what else is there in absolute nothingness. Therefore it is up to us to make our life worthwhile because Life is the best there is.


We are all in this existence, whether subjectively or objectively. I cant remember what it was like before I was alive, I did not exist, so there was no time. I did not exist at the beginning because there was no beginning, time is measurement created by man. Our idea of time may not apply to the universe.

How is it that life is the best there is? Could it not have been better?
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Re: Why do anything?

Post Number:#15  PostJuly 2nd, 2012, 3:41 am

Why do you want to do an action? : Depends on the action.
What if the perfection I perceive as perfect, is always something of disappointment in the end.

Then perceive something else, forget about "the end"

Value has no purpose but what you give it. You decide what is valuable for you.

I value any exchange with another human being as valuable because I learn. Knowledge is power, no matter how seemingly trivial at one moment it may be. Hence it is my primary objective.

You don't have to be sure of what you see, only of what you want to do.
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