What is Artificial Intelligence?

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Jan Sand
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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 15th, 2018, 1:32 am

Apparently awareness is a rather slippery concept and artificial intelligence involves all sorts of awareness to be able to perform.
An electric toaster is aware as to when the bread has reached a preferred condition and it initiates the mechanism to pop up the toast and shut off the machine. Many machines have quite different awareness capabilities to perform a reaction. It seems to me that the broad spectrum of awareness involved in intellect is one of the key factors in AI and how that invokes reaction and chains of reaction is rather important but as a rather uninformed observer I am sure there is much more to it.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Karpel Tunnel » May 15th, 2018, 2:06 am

Awareness, it seems to me, indicates that it experiences. This should be distinguished from reponsiveness. When the toaster reaches a certain temperature the toaster responds by X. It functions in a certain way. Once you use the word 'awareness' you are introducing an experiencing subject, the toaster has some kind of consciousness. Perhaps things can have all sorts of responses without being alive, aware, conscious. I think these concepts need to be kept separate, even for a good old pantheist like myself.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 15th, 2018, 2:50 am

In the earlier days of contemplation of why things act as they do it was satisfactory to allocate preference to objects where smoke sought to find its place upward and rocks were more comfortable seeking lower levels as if they had the power of choice. As thought progressed the simple action and reaction became more acceptable but theologians, concerned with the problems of evil and why God permitted it, felt the necessity to create the idea of free will to excuse God for the mess humans created out of God's perfect mind. God's perfection was conceived somewhat like the electric toaster wherein it could not act imperfectly. This free will, which I find unacceptable, implied an inherent human possibility to make mistakes out of intend and willful disobedience of God persuaded by a demon which, of course, inexplicably, was also created by God.

To return more closely to the subject, to understand artificial intelligence one must have something of a grasp on natural intellect and it seems to me we are still a bit in the dark on that. Since electronics fundamentally interacts many thousands of times faster than neuron response the mere speed alone would endow even inferior thinking abilities in a machine the luxury of making and correcting mistakes faster than a living brain which, perhaps. indicates that human brains have abilities elsewhere than speed to give them superiorities still to be understood.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by ThomasHobbes » May 15th, 2018, 5:43 am

Hobbes Choice wrote:... nothing has changed since Turing
Which is wrong. It was only a few posts ago.
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I've absolutely NO idea what you are trying to get at here.
Are you cross-reading more than one different posters?

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 15th, 2018, 6:09 am

As I understand it the Turing test was based on the concept that a machine could pass it when it could convince a human that the machine was indistinguishable from a human. Since a large proportion of humans now in major control of humanity are behaving outrageously differently in comparison to any human I respect I find the Turing test so largely undefined as to be useless.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by ThomasHobbes » May 15th, 2018, 8:55 am

Jan Sand wrote:
May 15th, 2018, 6:09 am
As I understand it the Turing test was based on the concept that a machine could pass it when it could convince a human that the machine was indistinguishable from a human. Since a large proportion of humans now in major control of humanity are behaving outrageously differently in comparison to any human I respect I find the Turing test so largely undefined as to be useless.
Non sequitur.
It does not matter how much; "humans now in major control of humanity are behaving outrageously differently in comparison to any human I respect", does not mean they cannot be fooled by a Turing test.

"machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human."

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 15th, 2018, 9:05 am

What is this "any human" that cannot be fooled ? The concept makes no sense. There is no standard human that is measurable.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 20th, 2018, 4:05 am

A RECONSTRUCTION

To construct a God it’s rather odd
To choose to use qualities that confuse.
Most common things like horns or wings
And rings of glowing light create a sight
That might evoke a bit of fright
Which is OK, but, so to speak, rather antique.
One might squeak by to rely
On components one can’t deny,
Impress, so that, more or less,
By whipping up a universe or two
Requiring neither nails or glue
Would be at minimum a speciality.
But reality intervenes. It seems since this,
Even for a God, exists only in dreams.
This current edition requires admission
Of all sorts of serious, somewhat mysterious,
Lacks and cracks and voracious black holes.
The damned thing is blowing up and running down
To threaten lifespans of a mere fifty billion years.
Somewhat temporary, scary, quite contrary
To the basic charm of solidity in eternity.
So, to negate debate, we must not insist
To persist in older gods (that do not exist)
But must start anew. No more askew
Phantasmal apparitions perceivable
Only to bearded desert kooks, unbelievable.
Our God must thrust its presence
Equally to presidents and peasants.
It must be aware everywhere –
Across the cosmos, to both octopus and pheasants
And the rambunctious colliding galaxies
That bump and generate the planets
We find so comfy and so pleasant.
I would prefer a God not too odd but somewhat outré.
Outlandish in a pleasing entertaining form.
We humans do not relish tails or horns but one head could do
Although, no doubt some would prefer two, to accommodate
The possibilities of multisexual approval. Or, perhaps –
None at all. A gentle nod to the starfish crowd.
No mouth to make ridiculous announcements which, though candid
Must then be countermanded when they go kaput.
It must not speak, but, perhaps, could squeak to please mice.
A rusty hinge would do which crickets would enjoy.
It can seem possible, for mutable construction, to employ
The spark of Lego, which might seem weird but could be cheered
By kids who prefer to assemble gods piece by piece to increase
Creative possibilities. But then, one must put in a word for the nerd
Who with motherboard or fatherboard or big brotherboard
That no longer can be ignored on quantum capability
Which now labors deep to awake AI from sleep to intellect agility
Far more acrobatic in the mental attic than that meat machine
Stuck In our heads which gets distracted by a female lip or hip or
Male torsos with an obese wallet. Therein is where we fear
A real deity can be put in gear to finally domesticate the hairless ape
And calm down countless Adams and Eves in ways no one can escape.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Chili » May 30th, 2018, 11:29 am

In a deterministic universe, "ability" is illusory, and thus "intelligence" is too. Stuff happens, then other stuff happens.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 30th, 2018, 11:37 am

What does "illusory" mean? does it imply the intellect of a micro-organism performs equally with that of a human or a penguin or a dolphin? If intelligence is irrelevant why does it exist?

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Chili » May 30th, 2018, 1:33 pm

A clockwork dolphin could fool some people into thinking it was a real dolphin. Would it have an "intellect" ?

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Chili » May 30th, 2018, 1:40 pm

But really my focus of criticism was "ability". When you look around in nature, how do you know if there is "ability" somewhere?

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 30th, 2018, 1:51 pm

No need to go to extremes. I rarely meet clockwork dolphins ringing my doorbell to convince me that God is a marine mammal and the devil is a shark. But it would take a great deal of mechanical improvement to induce me to believe that the windup puppet that is now in charge of the USA has not escaped from the Muppet Show.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Karpel Tunnel » May 30th, 2018, 3:59 pm

Jan Sand wrote:
May 30th, 2018, 11:37 am
What does "illusory" mean? does it imply the intellect of a micro-organism performs equally with that of a human or a penguin or a dolphin? If intelligence is irrelevant why does it exist?
I believe he or she is arguing that in a deterministic universe 'intelligence' is an odd idea, since it generally implies having an overview and using this to make choices and better ones, taking in more information and cleverness in those choices.

If you set up a bunch of dominoes in a simple formation, we would not think of it as intelligent. But let's say we call it dumb. We then set up a pattern of dominoes at complicated as the human brain. We then set the dominoes in motion, knocking each other oven in millions of miles of patterns. Is it intelligent? Is it even a separate entity? In a fully deterministic universe things happen, or really the universe happens. There is no ownership. Just atoms clattering into others.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 30th, 2018, 5:43 pm

Although the patterns of nerve response seem similar to the automatic stimulation response within a digital setup, neuron responses are proportional to intensity and are affected by input from preconditioned secondary sources, as far as I know. So it is not just a simple matter of digital in and output. These preconditions come from genetic and experience sources so I cannot believe it is merely a simple dynamic. I have neither the background nor the pattern experience to properly judge or analyse the possibilities so I can only guess that some kind of matrix understanding is necessary.

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