Is all hope of the ideal of international law now dead?

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Is all hope of the ideal of international law now dead?

Post by Steve3007 » September 10th, 2018, 8:19 am

I read that John Bolton, the Trump Administration's national security adviser, will today be giving a speech indicating the administration's absolute distain for the International Criminal Court (ICC). He will apparently be saying:

The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court.
The United States will always stand with our friend and ally, Israel.
We will not cooperate with the ICC. We will provide no assistance to the ICC. We will not join the ICC. We will let the ICC die on its own. After all, for all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us.
We will consider taking steps in the UN Security Council to constrain the court’s sweeping powers, including to ensure that the ICC does not exercise jurisdiction over Americans and the nationals of our allies that have not ratified the Rome Statute.

Is this music to the ears of tyrants the world over? Has the one tiny chance for the international accountability of the rich and powerful finally been removed? Is this an explicit acknowledgement that, in international affairs, there is one and only rule: the rule of physical force?

Or am I being hysterical and should calm down? Is Bolton right to criticise the ICC?

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Re: Is all hope of the ideal of international law now dead?

Post by Georgeanna » September 10th, 2018, 8:42 am

I have no idea what is going on. The world seems truly ****'d.
Thanks for adding to my sense of outrage.
Just what I needed.
Thanks.

Now the end is nigh. I am switching off.
Good Luck to one and all.

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Re: Is all hope of the ideal of international law now dead?

Post by Steve3007 » September 10th, 2018, 8:45 am

Jeez, I didn't expect my little topic to have that much of an effect. Don't give up hope Georgeanna. Worse things happen at sea.

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Re: Is all hope of the ideal of international law now dead?

Post by Fooloso4 » September 10th, 2018, 10:57 am

The speech is to the Federalist Society. He is preaching to the choir. The US is not a state party and has never officially recognized its authority. The argument is that this undermines the sovereignty of a nation.

I don’t think this means the we are left with the rule of physical force (A theme from this week’s reading on another thread). Diplomacy and trade sanctions may be a form of force, but not physical force. But if a nation has nothing that others want they are in this regard powerless.

The ICC’s power may lie in its ability to expose injustice. The current administration's concern for reputation seems to be limited to its strong man image, but in a global economy no single person or state gets to call the shots.

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Re: Is all hope of the ideal of international law now dead?

Post by LuckyR » September 11th, 2018, 2:36 am

I predict the ICC will give this bluster it's proper level of attention, they will essentially ignore it.
"As usual... it depends."

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Post by Steve3007 » September 11th, 2018, 11:58 am

Fooloso4 wrote:I don’t think this means the we are left with the rule of physical force (A theme from this week’s reading on another thread). Diplomacy and trade sanctions may be a form of force, but not physical force. But if a nation has nothing that others want they are in this regard powerless.
Yes, true. I shouldn't have specifically said physical force.

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Post by Steve3007 » September 11th, 2018, 12:00 pm

LuckyR wrote:I predict the ICC will give this bluster it's proper level of attention, they will essentially ignore it.
If it's backed up by economic sanctions against judges by the most powerful economy in the world then it's more than just bluster.

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Re: Is all hope of the ideal of international law now dead?

Post by LuckyR » September 12th, 2018, 1:40 am

Steve3007 wrote:
September 11th, 2018, 12:00 pm
LuckyR wrote:I predict the ICC will give this bluster it's proper level of attention, they will essentially ignore it.
If it's backed up by economic sanctions against judges by the most powerful economy in the world then it's more than just bluster.
So you predict the ICC will cave to the US?
"As usual... it depends."

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