Legalizing Prostitution

[whitetrshsoldier]

[Juice]

WTS-You should know by now that I understand the meaning of the term "Progressive". In this case my stance on the legalization of prostitution is to maintain the current status of prostitution that exists in most jurisdictions and not to "progress" or change that status in any manner. I also understand the libertarian stance which would consider prostitution a "victimless" "crime" and as such would like to see it decriminalized.

As far as any bias is concerned I only mentioned the bra issue to point out that for many years, since woman were often rejected from the work place and did not even have a say in the design of their own undergarments that such a situation produced a disparate concept on how woman should look and are perceived by men. The bras men made for woman also caused many woman physical distress. I suspect that burning bras in the sixties was a more a rejection of feminine physical restraints and the pain it caused rather than a psychological liberation. Besides I think woman do a much better job of dressing themselves than any man can. I probably appreciate the Victoria Secret catalog more than my wife (sure to be a statement for contention too).

The Constitution protects your right to bear arms once again I submit that the comparison to prostitution is intellectually dishonest.

Individual liberty is absolutely guaranteed and so is my right not to have morally reprehensible and individually destructive conduct legitimized by any act of government.

WTS-We both know that the government would only allow such a thing only so as to get their grubby hands on the profits. Doing so would practically force the enterprise into further criminal activities, since they would have to regulate the crap out of it.

Come on Scott, once again it is intellectually dishonest to suggest that prostitution can be compared to eating ice cream and it is further intellectually dishonest to disregard the obvious circumstance that prostitution compounds further anti-social behaviors and criminal activities.

No one is denying anyone the freedom to engage in any consenting activity but once again people are want to disregard some other considerations.

Would you want or encourage your daughter, son, sister, brother or wife to become a legal tax paying prostitute?

Would you want to live next door to a house of ill repute (being nice)? Would we allow people to become prostitutes so they can support a legal drug habit? Could I go to the job fare at the local high school to promote careers in prostitution?

Would a ugly person be cheaper than a beautiful person? Can we establish price control so as to make it fair for the less accomplished sexual servers? Could I get a refund if I am not satisfied? Where could I get a reference? Will the better business bureau provide them? Could virgins be actioned? What's the retirement age? Do we wait until the server is used up? Can I serve alcohol in my business of ill repute? Will Johns have to show proof of marital status? Will the hotel be sectioned off like they do for smoking so I don't have to worry about stains or unpleasant odors? If I solicit my next door neighbor or her daughter will the law protect me from stalking laws? Could I solicit your wife or daughter, and if you don't like it and hit me do I have grounds to sue for medical expenses or more?
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[pjkeeley]

[pjkeeley]

[Juice]

PJ-My questions are to show how ridiculous legalizing prostitution under the guise of freedom or liberty is since where it is legal it is highly regulated, taxed and confined. How hypocritical to assume that what is all well and good for someone else's family is not good enough for eachother. In that case I would rather a knock on my door for something to eat, a place to stay and a few dollars to get someone going until they find something better and less damaging to their physical and mental wellbeing rather than count on the depravity that would obviously exist in a family that considers itself beyond such credulity.

I did state that the questions were an appeal to emotions in an earlier post or is the act of sex for humans just a static, sterile, animal and unemotional act of physical desperation? Or, is there some emotional element involved with one person feeling the need to engage in intimacy such as what is allowed by such limited and costly contact due to some social and psychological ineptitude? And, why does that go away with orgasm? Or, should we just have prostitution for the visiting salesman, tourist or the person who is just not satisfied with with their mate for five minutes and a buck?

Has it really gotten so that we don't even care about our impact on global attitudes. I see people believing and promoting all manner of falsities yet the one that has one of the most disturbing impacts on third world nations is the global sex trade and it becomes all well and good since we have a mature and well meaning attitude towards liberating sexual mores. Do you guys actually believe that the sex business in Holland doesn't lend to an underground sex trade were young girls are imported from third world nations for the sex business and when they are used up thrown into the streets to fend for themselves. You have no idea what goes on in India, Vietnam, Cambodia where young children are exploited. In fact there is nothing one cannot "buy" in these countries to the point that if ones depravity extends to brutalization, rape and murder those are provided. Some westerners pay top dollar for these services, hop on a plane and go back to their offices without a care in the world. Nevada has legalized prostitution and still has the forth highest rape rates in the country. 90% of prostitutes make about $7 dollars an hour and that includes places were it is legal.

I posted in the Black Conservative thread, did you know that it was legal for the slave master to rape his slaves, as a right of property? Did you know that most prostitutes are poor black girls here in the states?

What aren't you willing to pay for? What aren't you willing to give up?

Is it really necessary for one to be a right wing, Bible thumping, Christian, capitalist, Black Conservative in order to prove who really cares?

Sorry, in advance, if anyone feels offended.
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[pjkeeley]

[Juice]

PJ-At no time did I inject any level of personal morality in my case. LVT was brought up as if I haven't stated that I could care less what people do in the privacy of their own homes as long as they do not hurt or demean any other person against their will. LVT has nothing to do with the question of prostitution. The case made clear that the government or any majority or minority, for that matter, does not decide morality for the individual. And I whole heartily agree and support that contention on a partly emotional level.

But, prostitution is not a moral issue. It is an issue of commerce, illegal commerce in that, as I have stated, it leads to further criminalization and exploitation. In those countries which offer services, just for the money, which go beyond just a moments sexual satisfaction, and are more likely to treat prostitutes as slaves how does it look that western countries look at prostitution as strictly a means of commerce when there are people of color loosing their dignity, freedom and lives for the enrichment of other peoples lives?

One may not be ignorant of the facts but there is every indication that the facts, no matter what harm prostitution causes particularly to woman and children, are insubstantial and irrelevant to the far more important desire of being right.

Sure we can remain in the dark and convince ourselves that certain human conditions are only as good or bad as they affect other people or other societies but let me tell you that it is just that kind of superior reasoning towards morality that has the west in so much conflict with the rest of the world. Not capitalism, or global warming, or emerging technological proprietorship but the lack of moral kinship.
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[Alun]

[Scott]

[Juice]

I will restate for those who wish to pick and choose pieces of text instead of comprehending an entire text. As I stated to WTS, who accused me of being a "Progressive", I support maintaining the current legal approach to prostitution which is that it remain "Illegal", and those who engage in the activity be held criminally responsible to whatever degree the law allows for the good of society, victims, solicitors, financiers and especially the enslavers.

As to the victims of this crime, being the prostitute and society as a whole, there are organizations, available through the courts and charities, to help these people. May I suggest that instead of endorsing decriminalization or legalization that we extend our efforts by assisting these people rather than supporting the machine which seeks to continue their exploitation, brutalization and enslavement.

What some fail to comprehend and apparently want to whitewash is that prostitution, no matter its legality is, as I have tried to point out, an activity which promotes and encourages slavery. Not only that but it also promotes racism. Instead of looking at it as some sort of victimless crime try instead to comprehend the "invisible harm" prostitution causes.

In defense of Nick and in solidarity with him I hope some will see how certain precepts feed the "Beast". Whether one chooses to believe that it is my goal to control the lives of individuals rather than see my argument as a defense of what can be good with society I will remain steadfastly committed to the idea that morality, ethics and God are a truth worth fighting for. Call me a boyscout if you will but this approach has gotten me more free love than any amount of sex money can buy.

As I have repeatedly tried to instill and what some refuse to accept is that the gilded ideologies which see people and the world as capable of attaining some ultimate level of altruism and Utopian commonality is and will aways remain a fantasy. There are people who if given an inch will take a mile (or centimeter and kilometer depending on what side of the pond you live).

I will keep some level of altruism for myself in that I will pray, hope, or wish, depending on ones point of view, that some just wish to exploit an argument and hide from common sense rather than concede to the prospect of having been led astray of promoting the common good.

As for the points, or lack there of, in defense of an obviously destructive idea is in fact the formulation of negative utilitarianism. Some want to see living and happiness as the destructive demise of the world and humanity as a proximal inevitability and wish to subject others to the whims such views portends. Instead of maximizing happiness and good will it seems that some have adopted a less than happy outlook which is being imposed on future generations. What right do we have to create such a future for our children who should have more rights to the joys and happiness of life than we have equated or could attain for ourselves?
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An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason.
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[Nick_A]

Hi Scott

[Alun]

[Juice]

Alun-I would like to offer a reply that can be worthy of this discussion in that prostitution is a male driven industry. Some may want to create the fantasy that woman are equally able to avail themselves of that activity but that would be another intellectually dishonest paradigm used to apply some basis of legitimacy against the prospect that prostitution is an industry men use to specifically abuse women.

Men who frequent prostitutes are cowards in that they are convinced that they can abuse a woman since they have paid for the privilege to do so. Most people who become prostitutes have been abused, at some time in their lives, by close family members and allow for the continuation of that abuse due to the perception of low self worth. Prostitution is an act of violence and those who engage in it seek to or do not believe in the worth of individual promise.

What is the contention when the disagreements are submitted by amoralist, pragmatists and atheists. To what level of morality or conviction do these precepts hold sway? Particularly when they consider that society is just the image of itself reflected in a broken mirror. A mirror, once shattered, can never become whole. A self distorting image with the lines separating good and evil clearly defined yet easily crossed when ones aim is just as meaningful with both eyes closed while spitting into the wind.

Just Google prostitution for yourself it will only matter to one willing to change a mind.
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When everyone looks to better their own future then the future will be better for everyone.

An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason.
C. S. Lewis

Fight the illusion!

[Alun]

Breast implantation, makeup, and even fashion in general are female driven industries. Does that mean each irreparably destroys society? What about football? Penile enhancement (claims)?

It is likely not true that most prostitutes were abused as children. Most studies of prostitute demographics are fairly narrow, so I'm amazed that you feel confident in assigning the majority of them to such a category.

Please explain how prostitution is violence.
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[Juice]

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/

http://prostitution.procon.org/

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