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Planet Better Than Earth?

Post Number:#1  PostAugust 7th, 2012, 6:14 pm

Will people be able to find a planet better suited for human life than Earth? What would be different on that planet: size, climate, fauna, inhabitants, natural resources, etc? May be that planet will have better location in Universe to allow faster commute around Galaxies?

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Post Number:#2  PostAugust 7th, 2012, 6:26 pm

I can see Mars ending up with rivers and lakes, but no sea. I reckon Mars for the next great leap for mankind. I think it will be quite amazing actually.
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Post Number:#3  PostAugust 8th, 2012, 7:47 pm

That's a great question! The answer would lie in what do we lack on this planet or what do we dislike on it? I don't see any imperfections on planet Earth structure/environment-wise. If by planet you meant the species on Earth, I would change quite a bit but if I did it would resolve one problem and create another, example : I would remove carnivorous behavior of all kind but then we would face over-population and lack of vegetation issues etc; So I am pretty happy with our planet, the only thing I would remove is suffering I guess, physical and emotional. I would also add a swift universal justice, so it woulkd be more or less fair, but then it would make it too uniform..hmm food for thought! ;op

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Stormy wrote:I can see Mars ending up with rivers and lakes, but no sea. I reckon Mars for the next great leap for mankind. I think it will be quite amazing actually.



They're already designing camps with micro-climate systems so researches can live on Mars ;o)
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Post Number:#4  PostAugust 9th, 2012, 8:37 am

The fact that people have need to devise a shelter, a building to live in, already tells that Earth's climate is not perfect for survival. Our houses are like micro-climate camps on Mars, they protect from exposure to the ailments, bugs, animals and bad people here, on Earth. Of course, a lot depends on social structure, and if one hopes that another planet will provide some idillic society, that is utopian idea. Wherever we go, we bring with us our human nature. Climate could be more mild, river system could be a lot richer, instead of having enormous oceans, which are hard to cross, plus what a waist of land. Several extra continent could fit on our planet if not for oceans. We would not have overpopulation problem, having those extra continents.
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Post Number:#5  PostAugust 9th, 2012, 9:03 am

What will be better for what? The planet? For the planet the planet would be better without people, going by our little experiment down here over the last 10,000 years or so.
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Post Number:#6  PostAugust 9th, 2012, 10:03 am

Gulnara wrote:Wherever we go, we bring with us our human nature. Climate could be more mild, river system could be a lot richer, instead of having enormous oceans, which are hard to cross, plus what a waist of land. Several extra continent could fit on our planet if not for oceans. We would not have overpopulation problem, having those extra continents.


Overpopulation is not caused by not having enough land, it's a problem because there are too many humans spreading too fast. If all oceans on Earth were to run dry you would have humans spread out to those areas and overpopulate this planet even further. More land means more resources, which leads to more humans feeling like reproducing and spreading to the new area. Additionally, if our oceans dried out, our climate would change dramatically as our oceans cool down the atmosphere. Without any water on this planet we might see the next extinction level event as everything living in the sea might die out and as our planet would get much hotter, Earth might as well turn into a desert which would make human existence even more troublesome.
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Post Number:#7  PostAugust 9th, 2012, 11:56 am

Gulnara wrote:Will people be able to find a planet better suited for human life than Earth? What would be different on that planet: size, climate, fauna, inhabitants, natural resources, etc? May be that planet will have better location in Universe to allow faster commute around Galaxies?

Natural resources are very slow on regenerating themselves, this is a bit of a problem given the way we consume resources.
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Post Number:#8  PostAugust 9th, 2012, 12:28 pm

If we need plentiful natural resources, we should look for a planet a lot greater in size than Earth and having plenty of vegetation and great sources of fresh water. This is what puzzles me on Earth: oceans of undrinkable, salty water! Planet greater in size will also have more oil, metals, precious stones, gold, etc.
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Post Number:#9  PostAugust 9th, 2012, 12:40 pm

Gulnara wrote:If we need plentiful natural resources, we should look for a planet a lot greater in size than Earth and having plenty of vegetation and great sources of fresh water. This is what puzzles me on Earth: oceans of undrinkable, salty water! Planet greater in size will also have more oil, metals, precious stones, gold, etc.

I was thinking more on a planet which could generate these natural resources much faster than Earth. The size not so important, but more efficient.
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Post Number:#10  PostAugust 9th, 2012, 4:36 pm

Yes, that would be great.
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Post Number:#11  PostAugust 10th, 2012, 9:18 am

Gulnara wrote:If we need plentiful natural resources, we should look for a planet a lot greater in size than Earth and having plenty of vegetation and great sources of fresh water. This is what puzzles me on Earth: oceans of undrinkable, salty water! Planet greater in size will also have more oil, metals, precious stones, gold, etc.


Not necessarily. Take Jupiter for instance, it's about 10 times bigger than our Earth but it consists of merely Hydrogen, Helium and some heavier elements in its core. Plus, if we did find a planet that is habitable and had so many more resources than our Earth, considering our population here is around 7 billion, what do you think it will be on a planet 10 times the sizes with plentiful of resources? Human nature will exhaust those resources by bringing up a population that is even bigger than 7 billion. That's just who we are so finding a bigger planet with more resources will not change a thing.
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Post Number:#12  PostAugust 17th, 2012, 5:21 pm

Because of who we are it makes all possible sense to move to other planets.

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Because of who we are it makes all possible sense to move to other planets. Earth is not hospitable at all, it makes us struggle needlessly at every point in life. If we'd look for other planets, why not for the appropriate one, where we can, perhaps, evolve faster into higher beings, even if we simply settle on that planet with the best of humans? If another planet has no or less competition or enemies, that is already a good start.

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Because of who we are it makes all possible sense to move to other planets. Earth is not hospitable at all, it makes us struggle needlessly at every point in life. If we'd look for other planets, why not for the appropriate one, where we can, perhaps, evolve faster into higher beings, even if we simply settle on that planet with the best of humans? If another planet has no or less competition or enemies, that is already a good start.
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Post Number:#13  PostAugust 18th, 2012, 1:04 am

Gulnara wrote:... where we can, perhaps, evolve faster into higher beings, ....

What kind of higher being do you want to evolve into?
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Post Number:#14  PostAugust 18th, 2012, 10:56 am

First of all, the society on that planet can be organized in a way that everyone's genes get passed on. On Earth we do not have such system set up, so lots of people get simply shed off the face of Earth, although someday we might regret that certain genetic combinations disappeared. Perhaps, those genetic combinations can be quite useful for humanity, and particularly when settling on other planets.

When I watched Olympics, where man ran on his artificial legs, and did it better than people with biological legs, I thought that modern medical science is tapping here into something of the future approach: people can be improved with artificial devices to do better what humans natural abilities are. Say, all the runners can be given similar devices , that fit on normal legs, just to see how fast can human run using them, so it becomes new sport. The possibilities are endless. Above that, every disability can be turned into advantage, with devices, so disable person does not even feel disable, because he or she becomes more able, say, in certain area, than healthy human. Thus disable people will become simply specialized people, in whatever they do better than the rest of the people. The same relates to all sorts of "different" people, in mental way, in say, Autistic people, etc. Nothing is disability if we, humans, find way of using different qualities for the benefit of human rase.

We have to embrace every form and expression of human genes, no matter how different or frightening it is. We have to preserve them, and not simply throw them away through genetic sorting. Just think, if monkey had genetic engineering, they'd sort away the mutation, where two chromosomes suddenly got fused together, because it was different from theirs, abnormal, and human rase would never come to being. So hooray to ignorant monkeys! Lets just not act like high in mighty, yet ignorant humans, who'd sort away future rase of super humans. They might be among us, looking or acting all strange, not fitting in, braking social norms, having genetic defects, not getting along, being too smart, too talented, too wicked. For their sake there has to be another planet, so they can prosper without anyone staying in their way. Why so? Because for the Adam and Eve who broke social norm there was plenty of place to get the hell out of garden of Eden, while in a modern world there is no where to run, space is diminishing, and privacy is diminishing, every move of a person is watched: statistics, commerce, media, politics - all run on ratings, which presupposes the overpowering righteousness of majority, and people of unique needs, qualities or approach become under-served, misunderstood, rejected, become social outcasts or a laughing stock. Another planet would let those people become majority where they settled without necessary pain, clash, crime or war on Earth with fellow humans who does not get them. We are living in an era of standardised people ( read "monkeys"). Schooling, jobs, finances, marriage demand people to act in similar ways, because those are so rigid. Human rase might develop in a way that suffocates evolution of our species and all of this thanks to the limits imposed on us by this planet. Like a baby in a crib, we can not remain in a crib forever, we have to grow.
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Post Number:#15  PostAugust 18th, 2012, 2:35 pm

Gulnara wrote:First of all, the society on that planet can be organized in a way that everyone's genes get passed on. On Earth we do not have such system set up, so lots of people get simply shed off the face of Earth, although someday we might regret that certain genetic combinations disappeared. Perhaps, those genetic combinations can be quite useful for humanity, and particularly when settling on other planets.

When I watched Olympics, where man ran on his artificial legs, and did it better than people with biological legs, I thought that modern medical science is tapping here into something of the future approach: people can be improved with artificial devices to do better what humans natural abilities are. Say, all the runners can be given similar devices , that fit on normal legs, just to see how fast can human run using them, so it becomes new sport. The possibilities are endless. Above that, every disability can be turned into advantage, with devices, so disable person does not even feel disable, because he or she becomes more able, say, in certain area, than healthy human. Thus disable people will become simply specialized people, in whatever they do better than the rest of the people. The same relates to all sorts of "different" people, in mental way, in say, Autistic people, etc. Nothing is disability if we, humans, find way of using different qualities for the benefit of human rase.

We have to embrace every form and expression of human genes, no matter how different or frightening it is. We have to preserve them, and not simply throw them away through genetic sorting. Just think, if monkey had genetic engineering, they'd sort away the mutation, where two chromosomes suddenly got fused together, because it was different from theirs, abnormal, and human rase would never come to being. So hooray to ignorant monkeys! Lets just not act like high in mighty, yet ignorant humans, who'd sort away future rase of super humans. They might be among us, looking or acting all strange, not fitting in, braking social norms, having genetic defects, not getting along, being too smart, too talented, too wicked. For their sake there has to be another planet, so they can prosper without anyone staying in their way. Why so? Because for the Adam and Eve who broke social norm there was plenty of place to get the hell out of garden of Eden, while in a modern world there is no where to run, space is diminishing, and privacy is diminishing, every move of a person is watched: statistics, commerce, media, politics - all run on ratings, which presupposes the overpowering righteousness of majority, and people of unique needs, qualities or approach become under-served, misunderstood, rejected, become social outcasts or a laughing stock. Another planet would let those people become majority where they settled without necessary pain, clash, crime or war on Earth with fellow humans who does not get them. We are living in an era of standardised people ( read "monkeys"). Schooling, jobs, finances, marriage demand people to act in similar ways, because those are so rigid. Human rase might develop in a way that suffocates evolution of our species and all of this thanks to the limits imposed on us by this planet. Like a baby in a crib, we can not remain in a crib forever, we have to grow.

I am not sure whether you are attempting to address the question of higher beings here. If you did I do not see how you answered it. Just in one, 2 sentences at most what do you mean by higher beings?
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