Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

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Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

Post Number:#1  Postby Pel » September 22nd, 2012, 11:34 am

Omnism is a new religion that might not even be registered yet officially but in a way it might be just a bit more straight forward name that describes what it is than Deism does. I invite you to google Omnism.

Deists are different but call them selves the same. Now Deists say that they totally reject so called revealed religions, but I have to say that my undersnding is that they get the Ideas from from those same revealed religions.

While Omnists say that they believe that in every religion, belief, philosophy, spirituality there is some truth However they still call themselves differently.

I am interested to know what is everyone else's opinion. Aren't those two beliefs same but they come under eifetent names?

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Re: Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

Post Number:#2  Postby Scott » September 22nd, 2012, 12:11 pm

Deists believe in a god as creator, but they believe that that god does not intervene in the universe and thus do not believe in miracles or anything supernatural. Incidentally, many of the Americas so-called 'founding fathers' were deists.

In contrast,. omnists claim to to "believe in all religions" including atheism. At a simple look, this idea is fraught with obvious logical problems. However, modern self-described omnists have watered down the concept to what seems to me to be a more hyperbolic use of the word belief to argue for tolerance and appreciation for all religions and to be believe that some truth can be found in all religions or belief-systems. In this way, omnism is not a form of theology, and unlike deism or atheism does not take a position on the existence of god.

Thus, there many contrasts between omnism and deism, and on many of these points deism actually is in common with atheism rather than omnism. Incidentally, the only difference between deism and atheism might be arguably meaningless from certain philosophies such as logical positivists since neither alleges the existence of that which would have observable effects, and thus under those philosophies be meaningful, such as alleged miracles or divine intervention. But that last sentence is ripe with philosophical points of debate and is arguable completely in its own right with no reference to this very different idea of omnism.
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Re: Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

Post Number:#3  Postby Pel » September 22nd, 2012, 12:42 pm

Scot, apparently old English Deists used to believe in miracles and had other similar beliefs to Christian religion. I though about googling English Deism and trying to get the link and post it but I remembered that you don't allow links to be posted, not at least without some sort of arrangement with you first if I remember well.

I think you need to google English Deism and miracles and you might see that Deist belief is a very broad and individualistic.
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Re: Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

Post Number:#4  Postby Scott » September 22nd, 2012, 5:51 pm

Pel wrote:Scot, apparently old English Deists used to believe in miracles and had other similar beliefs to Christian religion.

Which ones? What is your source that those ones believed in miracles, e.g. the name of the historian or similarly accredited expert and/or the name of the book/article in which that historian says that the old English Deists believed in miracles?

Incidentally, Thomas Jefferson rewrote the bible just to remove the miracles and supernatural stuff. That's far from enough to base a generalized conclusion, but it is interesting to note.
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Re: Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

Post Number:#5  Postby Spectrum » September 23rd, 2012, 1:05 am

http://omnism.com/om/home.htm
Basically Omnists are exploring and trying to discover for themselves what the nature of the Divine (or realm of Divine Ideals) is and what that means to them.

While Deism is a well established religion/spirituality, Omnism is still groping around to establish whatever it is.

IMO, deism is the most perfect of a theistic religion that reason can conceive of.

I don't think omnism will take root anywhere.
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Re: Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

Post Number:#6  Postby Pel » October 2nd, 2012, 11:00 pm

Spectrum, you say that Deism is Theistic. Would you care to elaborate a bit further about that? Some Deists tend to attack Monotheistic beliefs quite a bit.
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Re: Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

Post Number:#7  Postby Spectrum » October 2nd, 2012, 11:30 pm

Pel wrote:Spectrum, you say that Deism is Theistic. Would you care to elaborate a bit further about that? Some Deists tend to attack Monotheistic beliefs quite a bit.

Note the two points below.
'Theism, in the broadest sense, is the belief that at least one deity exists.[1]


Deism holds that God does not intervene with the functioning of the natural world in any way, allowing it to run according to the laws of nature that he configured when he created all things. God is thus conceived to be wholly transcendent and never immanent.

From the above, it is quite obvious, deism is a subset of theism with the concept of God, the supreme being than which no greater can be conceived, as fundamental.

Deists would not agree with the monotheists' beliefs of a personal god or a god that intervene in worldly affairs.
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Re: Whats the diference between Deism and Omnism?

Post Number:#8  Postby Pel » October 3rd, 2012, 1:01 am

If you go to reasonandspirit.com, somewhere over there there is thread by a very active Deist who actually runs reason and spirit and he is of the opinion that you can be a Deist and believe that God intervenes somehow. His name is Dave.

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