is this idea already invented?

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is this idea already invented?

Post by abvgdeyojz » January 7th, 2020, 9:28 pm

so, to create something you need to be completely devoid of it, if you not then you just replicating already existing part of yours

how many centuries im late? :)

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Re: is this idea already invented?

Post by TheVisionofEr » February 12th, 2020, 7:14 pm

In the Latin form the word, creatio and such forms, had to do with the formation of an office such as a govoner. Propbobly the first use in the exact sense is the "creatio ex nihlio" in the early Church fathers. With the claim that unlike all pagan thinkers the Chritians concieved of a God that was not an entity and so did not change something but genuinly created. The concept goes beyond or outside Aristotle's "logic" or First Philosophy on the face of it.

Creation is usally distinguished from invention and discovery. The present usage, whihc is like yours, as in "creative writing", is due to Nietzsche's modification of the Christian teaching to fit human beings interpreted by Max Weber and Georg Simmel &al.

So, depending on how we count either 2000-1600 years, or something like 120 years. Unless in the case someone would claim the Greeks already had the idea, but rejected it. Which might could be plausaible depending o how the claim would come to us.

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Re: is this idea already invented?

Post by Hereandnow » February 13th, 2020, 11:11 am

Creation ex nihilo? Sounds impossible, and intuitively it clearly is not. But freedom, the claims about freedom that attempt to set if apart from causal necessity, does put the matter in a different light: When a person commits an act of some kind, it is generally something that issues directly from recollection into action, as is the case now as I think and type. I learned these, and now they step forward for the occasion and, if you will, take control. Thought itself is not exempt. But then, when I put question into the path of a driven execution, I stop the event.

For more on this, read the existentialists. Causality, remember, is a theoretical term that attempts to describe something that is in itself entirely alien, and ......

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Re: is this idea already invented?

Post by Alias » February 17th, 2020, 3:45 am

abvgdeyojz wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 9:28 pm
how many centuries im late? :)
300
to create something you need to be completely devoid of it, if you not then you just replicating already existing part of yours
You can't create anything from absolute scratch, because you are not God.
You can't conceive of a need of which you are completely devoid.
You can't avoid replicating what's already in the world, because things were already in the world for a long time before you were.

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Re: is this idea already invented?

Post by OutlawPolymath » February 18th, 2020, 9:47 pm

Is it not still creation to recreate something over again? Is creating a copy not creation?

Is this question about novel creations? Everything is novel as the next moment does not yet exist, then BAM it comes into existence (as time passes, but what is time?)

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