Is philosophy a political ideology?

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Asif wrote:Philosophers whether materialist or theistic are generally political and uphold the dominant ideology of "rationalism" or traditional theism.
According to the survey, it's 27.8% rationalism and 14.6% theism.
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Steve3007 wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:05 am
Asif wrote:The truth about the human psyche.
I've still no idea what you're referring to.
Fine. Go post in another thread.

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Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 9:59 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 21st, 2021, 9:51 am
Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 9:26 am
Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 9:08 am Labels, affiliations, ideologies, etc. can be used to bolster the ego and divide people. They can be and do get used for political purposes (the questionable kind). This is common knowledge. The same applies to those that align themselves as philosophers, does it not? One simply has to look at the state of academicians and their character defects to asses where they stand. Surely their lives aren't a testament to what ideally philosophy is supposed to accomplish. Quite the contrary actually. Not sure if this contributes to your OP?
It does. This is similiar to what im saying,but in a different manner. The proof is in the academics pudding,as you say.
Philosophy does not examine its own assumptions,dogmas or psychological underpinnings.
Materialism justifies secularism and scientism.
This justifies the status quo. This in itself is a politically Conservative stance.
The same for leftists and fundamentalists
The history of philosophy is full of political wannabes,gatekeepers and those justifying oppression of human freedom.
They may be minorities, but you can see from this survey of philosophers' stances that a fair amount are theists, a fair amount are not realists, many do not buy physicalism, etc.:

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl
You have missed my point in the last two posts.
Philosophers whether materialist or theistic are generally political and uphold the dominant ideology of "rationalism" or traditional theism.
And the point about courses is its supposed to.be about free thinking but only if it adheres to the academic method. Ergo,dogmatic caveats in free thinking. Your example was not relevant.
Course are not supposed to be about "free thinking"--they're supposed to be about science or religion or history or philosophy or music or visual art or judo or whatever the course is. If you're not interested in learning something about that stuff, you don't take those courses (or you just bypass school altogether). If you want to learn about some specific thing, you can take a course in that thing to guide you. Otherwise you do something else.
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Steve3007 wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:09 am
Asif wrote:Philosophers whether materialist or theistic are generally political and uphold the dominant ideology of "rationalism" or traditional theism.
According to the survey, it's 27.8% rationalism and 14.6% theism.
And what of the others? They believe in cheese?
And you can be rationalist and theist at the same time.

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I didn't say you couldn't be.
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Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:14 am
Steve3007 wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:09 am
Asif wrote:Philosophers whether materialist or theistic are generally political and uphold the dominant ideology of "rationalism" or traditional theism.
According to the survey, it's 27.8% rationalism and 14.6% theism.
And what of the others? They believe in cheese?
And you can be rationalist and theist at the same time.
Did you actually look at the survey?
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Terrapin Station wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:12 am
Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 9:59 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 21st, 2021, 9:51 am
Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 9:26 am
It does. This is similiar to what im saying,but in a different manner. The proof is in the academics pudding,as you say.
Philosophy does not examine its own assumptions,dogmas or psychological underpinnings.
Materialism justifies secularism and scientism.
This justifies the status quo. This in itself is a politically Conservative stance.
The same for leftists and fundamentalists
The history of philosophy is full of political wannabes,gatekeepers and those justifying oppression of human freedom.
They may be minorities, but you can see from this survey of philosophers' stances that a fair amount are theists, a fair amount are not realists, many do not buy physicalism, etc.:

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl
You have missed my point in the last two posts.
Philosophers whether materialist or theistic are generally political and uphold the dominant ideology of "rationalism" or traditional theism.
And the point about courses is its supposed to.be about free thinking but only if it adheres to the academic method. Ergo,dogmatic caveats in free thinking. Your example was not relevant.
Course are not supposed to be about "free thinking"--they're supposed to be about science or religion or history or philosophy or music or visual art or judo or whatever the course is. If you're not interested in learning something about that stuff, you don't take those courses (or you just bypass school altogether). If you want to learn about some specific thing, you can take a course in that thing to guide you. Otherwise you do something else.
So philosophy is not freethinking its dictation by academia.
Exactly what I said at the start. And if you want to defend that then you are political in your philosophy. Defending dictation by academia.
Exactly as I said.

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Terrapin Station wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:16 am
Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:14 am
Steve3007 wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:09 am
Asif wrote:Philosophers whether materialist or theistic are generally political and uphold the dominant ideology of "rationalism" or traditional theism.
According to the survey, it's 27.8% rationalism and 14.6% theism.
And what of the others? They believe in cheese?
And you can be rationalist and theist at the same time.
Did you actually look at the survey?
No i didn't. Surveys are a lot of the time biased in their structure of questions.
Make your point about the survey if you wish.

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Asif, you're not really making a point about philosophy. It's just the same old gripe about "so called experts", "cancel culture", "scientism", "secular dogma" and a whole load of other vaguely defined concepts that generally get lumped together under the same heading. You might as well just say something like "They can put a man on the moon but they can't make the trains run on time. They all want putting in a bag and shaking up!" and leave it at that. I think everybody gets the point. You're not interested in philosophy and you think people who are interested in it are all up themselves. Got it.
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Steve3007 wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:29 am Asif, you're not really making a point about philosophy. It's just the same old gripe about "so called experts", "cancel culture", "scientism", "secular dogma" and a whole load of other vaguely defined concepts that generally get lumped together under the same heading. You might as well just say something like "They can put a man on the moon but they can't make the trains run on time. They all want putting in a bag and shaking up!" and leave it at that. I think everybody gets the point. You're not interested in philosophy and you think people who are interested in it are all up themselves. Got it.
Nope. I'm making a specific point about philosophy,and it's claim to be an independent inquiry into truth,or being some great method to solve "problems." You in your dogma can't even discuss or entertain this truth. You are wedded to philosophy without critique.

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Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:54 am
Steve3007 wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:29 am Asif, you're not really making a point about philosophy. It's just the same old gripe about "so called experts", "cancel culture", "scientism", "secular dogma" and a whole load of other vaguely defined concepts that generally get lumped together under the same heading. You might as well just say something like "They can put a man on the moon but they can't make the trains run on time. They all want putting in a bag and shaking up!" and leave it at that. I think everybody gets the point. You're not interested in philosophy and you think people who are interested in it are all up themselves. Got it.
Nope. I'm making a specific point about philosophy,and it's claim to be an independent inquiry into truth,or being some great method to solve "problems." You in your dogma can't even discuss or entertain this truth. You are wedded to philosophy without critique.
You know, there is a difference between critique and flat-out bitching. I have not seen much critique from you in this thread, but I have seen some lies, a lot of attacks, some personal attacks, and a lot of misinformation and manipulation of information. I can see why you think this is about a political ideology because you are clearly following the strategies of Trumpism.

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Gee wrote: June 21st, 2021, 12:20 pm
Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:54 am
Steve3007 wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:29 am Asif, you're not really making a point about philosophy. It's just the same old gripe about "so called experts", "cancel culture", "scientism", "secular dogma" and a whole load of other vaguely defined concepts that generally get lumped together under the same heading. You might as well just say something like "They can put a man on the moon but they can't make the trains run on time. They all want putting in a bag and shaking up!" and leave it at that. I think everybody gets the point. You're not interested in philosophy and you think people who are interested in it are all up themselves. Got it.
Nope. I'm making a specific point about philosophy,and it's claim to be an independent inquiry into truth,or being some great method to solve "problems." You in your dogma can't even discuss or entertain this truth. You are wedded to philosophy without critique.
You know, there is a difference between critique and flat-out bitching. I have not seen much critique from you in this thread, but I have seen some lies, a lot of attacks, some personal attacks, and a lot of misinformation and manipulation of information. I can see why you think this is about a political ideology because you are clearly following the strategies of Trumpism.

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Lol! What a sophist! Did i touch a nerve?
The fact you referred to trumpism is a measure of your thinking.
All politics is corrupt mate. Plus your belived academia.
Get over yourself. Classic Insecurity from an unaware gatekeeper.

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Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:17 am So philosophy is not freethinking its dictation by academia.
It's not just any arbitrary thing. What is?
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Terrapin Station wrote: June 21st, 2021, 3:03 pm
Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:17 am So philosophy is not freethinking its dictation by academia.
It's not just any arbitrary thing. What is?
So you can't distinguish between free and arbitrary?
People think extremely well without any lessons.
Do you think academia is needed for thinking?
Or are not we free to think for ourselves?

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Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 3:06 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: June 21st, 2021, 3:03 pm
Asif wrote: June 21st, 2021, 10:17 am So philosophy is not freethinking its dictation by academia.
It's not just any arbitrary thing. What is?
So you can't distinguish between free and arbitrary?
People think extremely well without any lessons.
Do you think academia is needed for thinking?
Or are not we free to think for ourselves?
Weren't you just a moment ago discussing that it's not the case that "anything goes" in a philosophy course? For example, you couldn't just turn in a poem or a painting or something like that for an assignment.
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