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Asif wrote:The point is classes suppress and reject free philosophical thought.....
Terrapin Station wrote:Oy vey. You're the one who doesn't get it. There are limitations to anything for it to be considered that thing. That doesn't imply a lack of freedom within the boundaries of what it is to be doing the thing in question. It's not the case that just anything you might propose would count as doing a particular thing.
This strange idea that simply learning about a subject, to build on what some other people have thought about it in the past so as not to "re-invent the wheel" or repeat the mistakes of the past, in itself, constitutes being indoctrinated by some kind of dogma is a pretty common theme that's been expressed by several posters here in the past.

It's the "don't fence me in with your rules, daddio" attitude that we often have when we're young. I remember it myself. I remember writing an English literature essay in school that scored an F and the acerbic comment "barely a reference to the text throughout". It hadn't occurred to me that in order to say something meaningful about Jude The Obscure you have to actually read it. I thought my vast 17 year old life experience would do just as well. I remember studying philosophy in school and, since I wasn't inspired by the subject being learned, decided to write an essay on a completely different one, about which I'd learnt nothing, but about which I was sure I could say lots of insightful things that nobody had ever thought of before.

When we're young we're often convinced that every idea and thought we have was discovered uniquely by us for the first time, and we have nothing to learn from those crusty old dead dudes. My favourite quote on that theme is the old one from Mark Twain:

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
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Steve3007 wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 5:56 am
Asif wrote:The point is classes suppress and reject free philosophical thought.....
Terrapin Station wrote:Oy vey. You're the one who doesn't get it. There are limitations to anything for it to be considered that thing. That doesn't imply a lack of freedom within the boundaries of what it is to be doing the thing in question. It's not the case that just anything you might propose would count as doing a particular thing.
This strange idea that simply learning about a subject, to build on what some other people have thought about it in the past so as not to "re-invent the wheel" or repeat the mistakes of the past, in itself, constitutes being indoctrinated by some kind of dogma is a pretty common theme that's been expressed by several posters here in the past.

It's the "don't fence me in with your rules, daddio" attitude that we often have when we're young. I remember it myself. I remember writing an English literature essay in school that scored an F and the acerbic comment "barely a reference to the text throughout". It hadn't occurred to me that in order to say something meaningful about Jude The Obscure you have to actually read it. I thought my vast 17 year old life experience would do just as well. I remember studying philosophy in school and, since I wasn't inspired by the subject being learned, decided to write an essay on a completely different one, about which I'd learnt nothing, but about which I was sure I could say lots of insightful things that nobody had ever thought of before.

When we're young we're often convinced that every idea and thought we have was discovered uniquely by us for the first time, and we have nothing to learn from those crusty old dead dudes. My favourite quote on that theme is the old one from Mark Twain:

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
Great post, and yeah, that's a classic Twain quip.
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Re: Is philosophy a political ideology?

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Steve3007 wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 5:56 am
Asif wrote:The point is classes suppress and reject free philosophical thought.....
Terrapin Station wrote:Oy vey. You're the one who doesn't get it. There are limitations to anything for it to be considered that thing. That doesn't imply a lack of freedom within the boundaries of what it is to be doing the thing in question. It's not the case that just anything you might propose would count as doing a particular thing.
This strange idea that simply learning about a subject, to build on what some other people have thought about it in the past so as not to "re-invent the wheel" or repeat the mistakes of the past, in itself, constitutes being indoctrinated by some kind of dogma is a pretty common theme that's been expressed by several posters here in the past.

It's the "don't fence me in with your rules, daddio" attitude that we often have when we're young. I remember it myself. I remember writing an English literature essay in school that scored an F and the acerbic comment "barely a reference to the text throughout". It hadn't occurred to me that in order to say something meaningful about Jude The Obscure you have to actually read it. I thought my vast 17 year old life experience would do just as well. I remember studying philosophy in school and, since I wasn't inspired by the subject being learned, decided to write an essay on a completely different one, about which I'd learnt nothing, but about which I was sure I could say lots of insightful things that nobody had ever thought of before.

When we're young we're often convinced that every idea and thought we have was discovered uniquely by us for the first time, and we have nothing to learn from those crusty old dead dudes. My favourite quote on that theme is the old one from Mark Twain:

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
Life is not a jude the obscure novel mate.
Nor is philosophy the way to think.
It's grand you are so unaware and unable to see the dictation by Elitists in philosophy and education that you actually defend the hand that slaps you.
Ain't no fool like an old fool hey!?
Tell me, who taught you how to breathe? Your school?

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Re: Is philosophy a political ideology?

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Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:17 am
Steve3007 wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 5:56 am
Asif wrote:The point is classes suppress and reject free philosophical thought.....
Terrapin Station wrote:Oy vey. You're the one who doesn't get it. There are limitations to anything for it to be considered that thing. That doesn't imply a lack of freedom within the boundaries of what it is to be doing the thing in question. It's not the case that just anything you might propose would count as doing a particular thing.
This strange idea that simply learning about a subject, to build on what some other people have thought about it in the past so as not to "re-invent the wheel" or repeat the mistakes of the past, in itself, constitutes being indoctrinated by some kind of dogma is a pretty common theme that's been expressed by several posters here in the past.

It's the "don't fence me in with your rules, daddio" attitude that we often have when we're young. I remember it myself. I remember writing an English literature essay in school that scored an F and the acerbic comment "barely a reference to the text throughout". It hadn't occurred to me that in order to say something meaningful about Jude The Obscure you have to actually read it. I thought my vast 17 year old life experience would do just as well. I remember studying philosophy in school and, since I wasn't inspired by the subject being learned, decided to write an essay on a completely different one, about which I'd learnt nothing, but about which I was sure I could say lots of insightful things that nobody had ever thought of before.

When we're young we're often convinced that every idea and thought we have was discovered uniquely by us for the first time, and we have nothing to learn from those crusty old dead dudes. My favourite quote on that theme is the old one from Mark Twain:

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
Great post, and yeah, that's a classic Twain quip.
Lol! Fanboy. You still haven't said anything in your own posts!
Is it any wonder the indoctrinated appeal to authority!
Get academia to wipe your ass for you!

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Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:17 am
Steve3007 wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 5:56 am
Asif wrote:The point is classes suppress and reject free philosophical thought.....
Terrapin Station wrote:Oy vey. You're the one who doesn't get it. There are limitations to anything for it to be considered that thing. That doesn't imply a lack of freedom within the boundaries of what it is to be doing the thing in question. It's not the case that just anything you might propose would count as doing a particular thing.
This strange idea that simply learning about a subject, to build on what some other people have thought about it in the past so as not to "re-invent the wheel" or repeat the mistakes of the past, in itself, constitutes being indoctrinated by some kind of dogma is a pretty common theme that's been expressed by several posters here in the past.

It's the "don't fence me in with your rules, daddio" attitude that we often have when we're young. I remember it myself. I remember writing an English literature essay in school that scored an F and the acerbic comment "barely a reference to the text throughout". It hadn't occurred to me that in order to say something meaningful about Jude The Obscure you have to actually read it. I thought my vast 17 year old life experience would do just as well. I remember studying philosophy in school and, since I wasn't inspired by the subject being learned, decided to write an essay on a completely different one, about which I'd learnt nothing, but about which I was sure I could say lots of insightful things that nobody had ever thought of before.

When we're young we're often convinced that every idea and thought we have was discovered uniquely by us for the first time, and we have nothing to learn from those crusty old dead dudes. My favourite quote on that theme is the old one from Mark Twain:

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
Great post, and yeah, that's a classic Twain quip.
Lol! Fanboy. You still haven't said anything in your own posts!
Is it any wonder the indoctrinated appeal to authority!
Get academia to wipe your ass for you!
Were you not accepted to school, or did you flunk out or something?
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Asif wrote:Life is not a jude the obscure novel mate.
I agree with you that "life is not a jude the obscure novel". But, arguably, Jude The Obscure is "a jude the obscure novel". Life also isn't a philosophy forum. I suspect we agree about that too. Is a philosophy forum a philosophy forum, do you think?
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Re: Is philosophy a political ideology?

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Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:40 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:17 am
Steve3007 wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 5:56 am



This strange idea that simply learning about a subject, to build on what some other people have thought about it in the past so as not to "re-invent the wheel" or repeat the mistakes of the past, in itself, constitutes being indoctrinated by some kind of dogma is a pretty common theme that's been expressed by several posters here in the past.

It's the "don't fence me in with your rules, daddio" attitude that we often have when we're young. I remember it myself. I remember writing an English literature essay in school that scored an F and the acerbic comment "barely a reference to the text throughout". It hadn't occurred to me that in order to say something meaningful about Jude The Obscure you have to actually read it. I thought my vast 17 year old life experience would do just as well. I remember studying philosophy in school and, since I wasn't inspired by the subject being learned, decided to write an essay on a completely different one, about which I'd learnt nothing, but about which I was sure I could say lots of insightful things that nobody had ever thought of before.

When we're young we're often convinced that every idea and thought we have was discovered uniquely by us for the first time, and we have nothing to learn from those crusty old dead dudes. My favourite quote on that theme is the old one from Mark Twain:

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
Great post, and yeah, that's a classic Twain quip.
Lol! Fanboy. You still haven't said anything in your own posts!
Is it any wonder the indoctrinated appeal to authority!
Get academia to wipe your ass for you!
Were you not accepted to school, or did you flunk out or something?
Lol! More nonsense! What a thinker you are!

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Re: Is philosophy a political ideology?

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Steve3007 wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:46 am
Asif wrote:Life is not a jude the obscure novel mate.
I agree with you that "life is not a jude the obscure novel". But, arguably, Jude The Obscure is "a jude the obscure novel". Life also isn't a philosophy forum. I suspect we agree about that too. Is a philosophy forum a philosophy forum, do you think?
Another sophist! If in doubt waffle and obfuscate hey!

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Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 7:52 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:40 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:17 am

Great post, and yeah, that's a classic Twain quip.
Lol! Fanboy. You still haven't said anything in your own posts!
Is it any wonder the indoctrinated appeal to authority!
Get academia to wipe your ass for you!
Were you not accepted to school, or did you flunk out or something?
Lol! More nonsense! What a thinker you are!
So were you accepted and did you acquire a degree? Or did you just not bother and start whatever work you do instead?
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Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 8:55 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 7:52 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:40 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am

Lol! Fanboy. You still haven't said anything in your own posts!
Is it any wonder the indoctrinated appeal to authority!
Get academia to wipe your ass for you!
Were you not accepted to school, or did you flunk out or something?
Lol! More nonsense! What a thinker you are!
So were you accepted and did you acquire a degree? Or did you just not bother and start whatever work you do instead?
Lol! So many assumptions! So yo be able to think one needs a degree?
So as I stated originally,and you tried to wriggle out of,your promoting your politics of academia being superior to other ways of thinking.
So predictable. Stunted by academia and philosophy you are matey.

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Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:01 am Lol! So many assumptions! So yo be able to think one needs a degree?
Aren't you criticizing assumptions that you're reading into questions?
So as I stated originally,and you tried to wriggle out of,your promoting your politics of academia being superior to other ways of thinking.
If only I thought or had said anything like that.
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Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:18 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:01 am Lol! So many assumptions! So yo be able to think one needs a degree?
Aren't you criticizing assumptions that you're reading into questions?
So as I stated originally,and you tried to wriggle out of,your promoting your politics of academia being superior to other ways of thinking.
If only I thought or had said anything like that.
Yep.Typical wriggler and hider behind words.
Maybe read your own posts! Lol!

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Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:20 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:18 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:01 am Lol! So many assumptions! So yo be able to think one needs a degree?
Aren't you criticizing assumptions that you're reading into questions?
So as I stated originally,and you tried to wriggle out of,your promoting your politics of academia being superior to other ways of thinking.
If only I thought or had said anything like that.
Yep.Typical wriggler and hider behind words.
Maybe read your own posts! Lol!
At least you're jolly!
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Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:33 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:20 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:18 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:01 am Lol! So many assumptions! So yo be able to think one needs a degree?
Aren't you criticizing assumptions that you're reading into questions?
So as I stated originally,and you tried to wriggle out of,your promoting your politics of academia being superior to other ways of thinking.
If only I thought or had said anything like that.
Yep.Typical wriggler and hider behind words.
Maybe read your own posts! Lol!
At least you're jolly!
I am. Because I use my mind practically and creatively,not to waffle and pontificate like yourself.

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Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:41 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:33 am
Asif wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:20 am
Terrapin Station wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 9:18 am

Aren't you criticizing assumptions that you're reading into questions?



If only I thought or had said anything like that.
Yep.Typical wriggler and hider behind words.
Maybe read your own posts! Lol!
At least you're jolly!
I am. Because I use my mind practically and creatively,not to waffle and pontificate like yourself.
Do you receive a decent royalty income from your creative works?
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