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Sy Borg wrote: June 25th, 2021, 2:25 am
mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 12:58 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 24th, 2021, 11:09 pm
Pattern-chaser wrote: June 24th, 2021, 12:41 pm

Does such a guy exist? A guy who has apparently never had trouble finding female company, and yet he is a misogynist. Why is this, and how did (could) it happen? It doesn't sound plausible to me.
Psychopathic charm. And, yes, it does happen.
I would agree with this, I don't think it is common. I haven't seen it or if I did was not aware of it. It does make sense that it could happen. I don't think it is a statistically important percentage.
Yes, some with the Casanova syndrome - use and throw away women, treating them with contempt after luring them with a charm offensive.
I know some that do that, but they don't hate women. They also do not treat women in any gender special ways. I actually understand it, but it still bothers me how women will so quickly go with that guy you describe instead of a man that would die to protect and care for them. Most of those guys do not hate women, albeit some did in the past until they learned and understood the things women like.

I really would prefer the Disney way, but it just isn't.
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LuckyR wrote: June 25th, 2021, 2:38 am
mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 12:58 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 24th, 2021, 11:09 pm
Pattern-chaser wrote: June 24th, 2021, 12:41 pm

Does such a guy exist? A guy who has apparently never had trouble finding female company, and yet he is a misogynist. Why is this, and how did (could) it happen? It doesn't sound plausible to me.
Psychopathic charm. And, yes, it does happen.
I would agree with this, I don't think it is common. I haven't seen it or if I did was not aware of it. It does make sense that it could happen. I don't think it is a statistically important percentage.
Perhaps you missed the Me Too movement. The influencial and powerful (and thus successful with women) are fully capable of treating women despicably. And they are numerous.
I did not miss it. Most of the women I see go 100 miles an hour into the arms of men that I can clearly see do not have any plan to commit with them. On the other hand, women treat men that would die for them, very despicably. It is likely I would agree with you on how things should be, but how they are in the world I live in.

Most of the ones you're telling about do not hate women and are not part of this question about hate, but we could have another topic perhaps about it. Why women will literally run from a nice man into the arms of a jerk is understood, but sad. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame the women for doing what mother nature dictates. There is no negotiation with evolution and mother nature. She has the final word.
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mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 3:46 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 25th, 2021, 2:25 am
mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 12:58 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 24th, 2021, 11:09 pm
Psychopathic charm. And, yes, it does happen.
I would agree with this, I don't think it is common. I haven't seen it or if I did was not aware of it. It does make sense that it could happen. I don't think it is a statistically important percentage.
Yes, some with the Casanova syndrome - use and throw away women, treating them with contempt after luring them with a charm offensive.
I know some that do that, but they don't hate women. They also do not treat women in any gender special ways. I actually understand it, but it still bothers me how women will so quickly go with that guy you describe instead of a man that would die to protect and care for them.
It's the same reason why men choose women who fleece them. That's when genitalia and social status conquer the brain.
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Sy Borg wrote: June 25th, 2021, 4:17 am
mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 3:46 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 25th, 2021, 2:25 am
mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 12:58 am

I would agree with this, I don't think it is common. I haven't seen it or if I did was not aware of it. It does make sense that it could happen. I don't think it is a statistically important percentage.
Yes, some with the Casanova syndrome - use and throw away women, treating them with contempt after luring them with a charm offensive.
I know some that do that, but they don't hate women. They also do not treat women in any gender special ways. I actually understand it, but it still bothers me how women will so quickly go with that guy you describe instead of a man that would die to protect and care for them.
It's the same reason why men choose women who fleece them. That's when genitalia and social status conquer the brain.
yep, I like the way you tell it, I might steal/borrow that saying.
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Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 2:42 am To be highly politically incorrect and painfully cliché at the same time, I'd say the root cause of misogyny is a genuine disillusionment, despair and the resulting contempt coming from 30+ year old males towards females.
Above 30, many dudes honestly come to the conclusion that women lack the capacity to love men the way men love women. And they also lack the capacity to be committed to what consider "truths" as opposed to "falsehoods", to relate to existence in what men consider logical terms. They honestly see women as mentally inferior who don't make good intellectual partners. (This in addition to having negligible sex drives compared to men.)
some men for sure are like you tell; not all but some and usually reasons that belief is born. I have to disagree with you on the sex drive thing. It depends on who the man with them is. A woman can be as uninterested in sex as a block of wood until some guy comes along that lights her fire (emotionally) and chemically (the same thing..). almost ALL women will light up with the right guy and some even much more than the average man. It has nothing to do with who she chooses to take care of her, it has to do with who excites her. This is the number one reason that most divorce is initiated by women, someone else lights them up.

It is a bad idea to pick a woman that does not light up for a man, no matter how many other good things exist about it.

BTW; politically incorrect is the only way to get to the real truth.
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AmericanKestrel wrote: June 24th, 2021, 2:59 pm
Pattern-chaser wrote: June 24th, 2021, 12:41 pm
LuckyR wrote: June 24th, 2021, 2:12 am However, I was addressing a totally different situation, namely the guy who has never been rejected. Why? Who cares? Maybe he's rich, or famous or good looking. Yet he is a misogynist.
Does such a guy exist? A guy who has apparently never had trouble finding female company, and yet he is a misogynist. Why is this, and how did (could) it happen? It doesn't sound plausible to me.
Maybe he learned not to hate women.
Then he would not be a misogynist (any more?), would he?
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Pattern-chaser wrote: June 25th, 2021, 8:45 am
AmericanKestrel wrote: June 24th, 2021, 2:59 pm
Pattern-chaser wrote: June 24th, 2021, 12:41 pm
LuckyR wrote: June 24th, 2021, 2:12 am However, I was addressing a totally different situation, namely the guy who has never been rejected. Why? Who cares? Maybe he's rich, or famous or good looking. Yet he is a misogynist.
Does such a guy exist? A guy who has apparently never had trouble finding female company, and yet he is a misogynist. Why is this, and how did (could) it happen? It doesn't sound plausible to me.
Maybe he learned not to hate women.
Then he would not be a misogynist (any more?), would he?
@Pattern-chaser i wrote that in jest. And you are right, he will no longer be a misogynist. It requires maturity, self inquiry, and becoming adult to be a normal and reasonable human being.
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mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 6:13 am
Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 2:42 am To be highly politically incorrect and painfully cliché at the same time, I'd say the root cause of misogyny is a genuine disillusionment, despair and the resulting contempt coming from 30+ year old males towards females.
Above 30, many dudes honestly come to the conclusion that women lack the capacity to love men the way men love women. And they also lack the capacity to be committed to what consider "truths" as opposed to "falsehoods", to relate to existence in what men consider logical terms. They honestly see women as mentally inferior who don't make good intellectual partners. (This in addition to having negligible sex drives compared to men.)
some men for sure are like you tell; not all but some and usually reasons that belief is born. I have to disagree with you on the sex drive thing. It depends on who the man with them is. A woman can be as uninterested in sex as a block of wood until some guy comes along that lights her fire (emotionally) and chemically (the same thing..). almost ALL women will light up with the right guy and some even much more than the average man. It has nothing to do with who she chooses to take care of her, it has to do with who excites her. This is the number one reason that most divorce is initiated by women, someone else lights them up.

It is a bad idea to pick a woman that does not light up for a man, no matter how many other good things exist about it.

BTW; politically incorrect is the only way to get to the real truth.
I'd say when the woman lights up sexually with the right man, that's still about 40-50% of the male sex drive. And their block of wood mode is like 5-10% of the male sex drive. :)
(talking about averages of course)
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mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 6:13 am
Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 2:42 am To be highly politically incorrect and painfully cliché at the same time, I'd say the root cause of misogyny is a genuine disillusionment, despair and the resulting contempt coming from 30+ year old males towards females.
Above 30, many dudes honestly come to the conclusion that women lack the capacity to love men the way men love women. And they also lack the capacity to be committed to what consider "truths" as opposed to "falsehoods", to relate to existence in what men consider logical terms. They honestly see women as mentally inferior who don't make good intellectual partners. (This in addition to having negligible sex drives compared to men.)
some men for sure are like you tell; not all but some and usually reasons that belief is born. I have to disagree with you on the sex drive thing. It depends on who the man with them is. A woman can be as uninterested in sex as a block of wood until some guy comes along that lights her fire (emotionally) and chemically (the same thing..). almost ALL women will light up with the right guy and some even much more than the average man. It has nothing to do with who she chooses to take care of her, it has to do with who excites her. This is the number one reason that most divorce is initiated by women, someone else lights them up.

It is a bad idea to pick a woman that does not light up for a man, no matter how many other good things exist about it.

BTW; politically incorrect is the only way to get to the real truth.
Anyway, contrary to popular belief, difference in sex drive, difference in thinking etc. are just secondary issues. Men won't talk about the main issue and women don't understand it:

Men feel UNLOVED, don't feel that women genuinely and deeply care about them.
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Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 3:15 pm
Anyway, contrary to popular belief, difference in sex drive, difference in thinking etc. are just secondary issues. Men won't talk about the main issue and women don't understand it:

Men feel UNLOVED, don't feel that women genuinely and deeply care about them.
Do believe in "love, to be loved"?
Is misogyny then a tantrum by those men who cannot love but want to be loved?
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AmericanKestrel wrote: June 25th, 2021, 3:20 pm
Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 3:15 pm
Anyway, contrary to popular belief, difference in sex drive, difference in thinking etc. are just secondary issues. Men won't talk about the main issue and women don't understand it:

Men feel UNLOVED, don't feel that women genuinely and deeply care about them.
Do believe in "love, to be loved"?
Is misogyny then a tantrum by those men who cannot love but want to be loved?
What are you talking about?
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Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 3:15 pm
mystery wrote: June 25th, 2021, 6:13 am
Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 2:42 am To be highly politically incorrect and painfully cliché at the same time, I'd say the root cause of misogyny is a genuine disillusionment, despair and the resulting contempt coming from 30+ year old males towards females.
Above 30, many dudes honestly come to the conclusion that women lack the capacity to love men the way men love women. And they also lack the capacity to be committed to what consider "truths" as opposed to "falsehoods", to relate to existence in what men consider logical terms. They honestly see women as mentally inferior who don't make good intellectual partners. (This in addition to having negligible sex drives compared to men.)
some men for sure are like you tell; not all but some and usually reasons that belief is born. I have to disagree with you on the sex drive thing. It depends on who the man with them is. A woman can be as uninterested in sex as a block of wood until some guy comes along that lights her fire (emotionally) and chemically (the same thing..). almost ALL women will light up with the right guy and some even much more than the average man. It has nothing to do with who she chooses to take care of her, it has to do with who excites her. This is the number one reason that most divorce is initiated by women, someone else lights them up.

It is a bad idea to pick a woman that does not light up for a man, no matter how many other good things exist about it.

BTW; politically incorrect is the only way to get to the real truth.
Anyway, contrary to popular belief, difference in sex drive, difference in thinking etc. are just secondary issues. Men won't talk about the main issue and women don't understand it:

Men feel UNLOVED, don't feel that women genuinely and deeply care about them.
That's an interesting spin, I have to think about it more about how it fits in. It would still leave us this to be a man's issue to deal with or no?
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Pattern-chaser wrote: June 25th, 2021, 8:45 am Then he would not be a misogynist (any more?), would he?
AmericanKestrel wrote: June 25th, 2021, 8:50 am @Pattern-chaser i wrote that in jest. And you are right, he will no longer be a misogynist. It requires maturity, self inquiry, and becoming adult to be a normal and reasonable human being.
Oh, sorry. Since it was revealed in this topic that misogyny is a minor distaste for women, I have had some difficulty in assessing the language and terms used here. ... I did think it was an odd thing for you to say. 😳
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Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 10:35 pm
AmericanKestrel wrote: June 25th, 2021, 3:20 pm
Atla wrote: June 25th, 2021, 3:15 pm
Anyway, contrary to popular belief, difference in sex drive, difference in thinking etc. are just secondary issues. Men won't talk about the main issue and women don't understand it:

Men feel UNLOVED, don't feel that women genuinely and deeply care about them.
Do believe in "love, to be loved"?
Is misogyny then a tantrum by those men who cannot love but want to be loved?
What are you talking about?
To be loved one must love. Is that clearer? May be these men who feel unloved dont know or cannot love. There are people who cannot absorb love, no matter how much they are loved. It is a problem that underscores their misogyny. They need to seek help, not take it out on women. It is mental illness.
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mystery wrote: June 26th, 2021, 1:03 am That's an interesting spin, I have to think about it more about how it fits in. It would still leave us this to be a man's issue to deal with or no?
Yes it's mostly a man's issue. It's just how this world is, women mainly care about / love children, men mainly care about / love women, and no one really cares about / loves men. Men have to manage on their own.

If you think about it, romantic love between adult men and women is a relatively new Western idea. The Greeks saw love as between two men. The Bible says that men should love their women, and women should "respect" their men. In Eastern culture romantic love isn't really a thing.

Men seem to be programmed culturally or biologically or both to believe that women love them as much as they love women, and of course women believe too that they love man at least as much as men love them. So then typically around 30-35, when men have accumulated enough life experiences, many of them come to the devastating realization that women lack the capacity to love them back as much as they love them. It can sometimes be a life destroying realization. Those men who don't realize this and remain blissfully ignorant, are often better off, they continue to live the illusion.

So then how do men cope with their now meaningless lives? Some kill off their emotions and any need to be loved, become soulless machines, after all it's "unmanly" to be a feeling being. Some invent a God above them to love them, some adopt a Buddhist-like detachment to life, some numb themselves with alcohol and hobbies, some men group together and compensate by invading other countries etc. And some men become misogynysts, they want to take it out on women (which I find pathetic, contemptible). Obviously there are many other reasons too why some men become misogynistic, but I'd say this is the big one. The issue that women can't love men back the same way that men love women, is such a basic fact of this world, that neither gender even realizes it under normal circumstances. And it's an unfixable problem so maybe it's better to pretend it away.
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