Are Mind and Matter interdependent?

[Waechter418]

"Mind i.e. metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts" are active and thus energetic

[Yersiniapest]

This concept is in error. Physical/energy is dynamic and has dynamic relationships Dynamic can only pertain physical/energy.

dynamic: a force that stimulates change or progress within a system or process.
force: strength or energy as an attribute of physical action or movement.
energy: the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity.

Every one of your metaphysical categories have been determined to be able to stimulate change or progress within a system or process, ergo- dynamics can be present between the physical and mind (this is disregarding the opinion that the mind is non-physical). To assume that mind is physical or not is irrelevant to my conclusion.

Mind/spirit is incorrect i.e. they are not synonyms. Spirit/energy are synonyms. You obvious have not read my cosmic hierarchy.

I have not read your hierarchy (perhaps I will). Mind and spirit were never presented as synonyms. My use of the "/" made this ambiguous, but the main point was that matter was what confined these concepts (or simply was a metaphorical conduit), and currently allows for us to consider their
existence.

Start with the greatest whole and no parts can be left out. See B fullers words on this. My cosmic hierarchy does this very well is where I
recommend you start.

-- Updated November 16th, 2016, 9:53 pm to add the following --

Start with the greatest whole and no parts can be left out. See B fullers words on this. My cosmic hierarchy does this very well is where I
recommend you start.

The concepts mind and matter must be considered apart from each other in a view that supposes one exists without the other to determine if they would be truly interdependent. We are literally considering the division of the greatest whole in a manner that all the parts we are thinking about can not be considered to answer the question of whether either can be without the other. This, however, brings us back to my implication that this question is no longer a progressive one. This is especially because we can not consider the greater whole that you suggest we need to validate.

[Yersiniapest]

I would say mind is that which creates and develops concepts through the processing of external and internal stimuli. Concepts would be the invention, redevelopment, or abstract creation of possibility. Intellect would primarily involve a minds ability to apply concepts to effect the bodies surroundings or other concepts in space. Does this fall in some sort of common ground for you?

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[Yersiniapest]

Is that a grammatical error, and you were trying to say the truth only exists for those who seek it, or are you saying the truth exists regardless of anyone's development of it? If it's the later you have destroyed the basis of a number of your previous points. If it's the first then coming to agreement is pointless and counter productive to the greater benifits of philosophy.

[Yersiniapest]

R6: This would be suggesting the positivity of the addition of a metaphysical force that can not be defined by any of the single parts of your hierarchy, or, perhaps, any of them.

[ThamiorTheThinker]

According to Taoist- Zen- Meta- & Quantum-physics, things become only defined when they are observed.
Is reality subjective?
Does mind mirror an objective (absolute) reality?
Is reality a simulation of an individual mind, a supercomputer or a mega(god-like)creator?
This is to challenge traditional boundaries - not to set new ones.

You misrepresent the words of quantum physicists. The observer effect is not directly supported as of yet, and further, it is not observation by conscious minds that leads to the wave-function collapse, if indeed such an event occurs. Some physicists buy into the Many-Worlds Hypothesis, which rids us of the wave-function collapse problem.

You're asking too many questions, many of which are far extrapolated from the topic's titular question - which is specifically about mind-body dualism. Mind-body dualism postulates that there are two kinds of substances - physical and non-physical. I think that this is a very vague and hard position to define, since many things which we once thought of as 'physical' - like gravity and electromagnetism - turned out to fall under our models of physical interaction. How do you define non-physical substance, aside from what it is NOT (ie, physical substance)?

Furthermore, there's a problem with the idea of non-physical substance being the source of mental activity, namely, that consciousness is inherently tied to brain activity. Consciousness, as the vast majority of neurologists and psychologists see it, is the result of a pattern or sequence of biochemical processes. A common mistake is to think that conscious experience is a "property" of brain matter, but if this were the case, dead brains would still be conscious, since static properties would remain and not cease along with the cease of brain activity. Brains seemingly require activity to produce experience, and so we can infer that consciousness is or is the result of processes, and is not itself a substance or any derivation thereof.

[Rr6]

Is that a grammatical error, and you were trying to say the truth only exists for those who seek it, or are you saying the truth exists regardless of anyone's development of it? If it's the later you have destroyed the basis of a number of your previous points. If it's the first then coming to agreement is pointless and counter productive to the greater benifits of philosophy.

Who are you talking too where is the specific quote and message number it found at?

r6

[Waechter418]

Thanks gentlemen, your participation has so far been a great pleasure !

For the matter-enthusiasts, some food for thought:

Einstein showed us that matter is just an emergent form of energy and energy itself is mass-less. Ergo: matter and mind (which is apparently an energy too) are interrelated. Attempts to separate them, cannot solidify matter, but can confuse/fragment mind.

[Belindi]

Waechter wrote:

Einstein showed us that matter is just an emergent form of energy and energy itself is mass-less. Ergo: matter and mind (which is apparently an energy too) are interrelated. Attempts to separate them, cannot solidify matter, but can confuse/fragment mind.

Matter-mind is reducible to energy. Qualia remain a mystery. Qualia, unlike information, are forever private.Do you believe that there is a simple anatomical explanation for the privacy of qualia?

-- Updated February 22nd, 2017, 5:55 am to add the following --

I mean of course to address Waechter 418.

[Rr6]

1/2} Occupied Space:

.....1a} Space = positive shaped geodesics arcs of gravity ( )

......2} physical/energy ergo time/frequency of observed, sine-wave reality ^v

.............2a}Matter = fermions or an collection thereof,

.............2b} forces = bosons and any collection thereof,

.....1b} Space = negative shaped geodesic arcs of dark energy )(


Space ( ) - Time ^v - Space )( = torus and here is bisection of a torus (><)(><). or as (^v)(v^)

Humans have a single digestive tract{ tube } ergo humans are toroidal.
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1} "U"niverse:

........1a} metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ex concepts of Space, God Universe, Concepts, Infinity, Dogs etc.......
----------line of demarcation---------------------------------------

.......1a} macro-infinite non-occupied space,

........1c} finite, occupied space Universe aka Uni-V-erse

The truth exists for those who seek it, those who do not and those who scoff at it.

r6

[Waechter418]

Truth exists for those who believe in it.

[Waechter418]

There would be no mind without matter.

Waechter418 has suggested the opposite. It does seem that the higher or broader the range of mind, the less it is tethered to matter. Whether the tether can ever be completely cut is questionable.

Mind is the mother of imagination.
Imagination nourishes dreams, arts and innumerable marvels of humankind - its seeming limitless capacity is not to be reduced with truths and realities, but to enrich micro-& macrocosm i.e. ALL