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There was lots of porn including ones depicting strange fetishes …

And you think that removing his foreskin is going to curtail his interest? Did you find any credible contemporary research to back up your assumption? There is all kinds of stuff readily available with the a click. It is not something I have to worry about so I have not looked into it but I would be very surprised if the opinions of professionals included circumcision as a way of dealing with it.

I suppose none of this really matters anymore. What’s been done can’t be undone.

Belindi wrote: ↑April 4th, 2018, 5:05 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑April 4th, 2018, 3:29 am

Oregon, as opposed to where? Are you implying that the great state of Oregon is an outlier? Where do you reside? Is circumcision illegal there? If not, it seems to me like you have a lot of work to do at home before you start commenting about communities with which you are unfamiliar.

As to my moral code, I didn't have any sons so I never had to cross that bridge. On the subject of my profession, it is completely ethical to provide a community accepted service if you are qualified and skilled, which I am.

You are free to be disgusted, as are those who oppose abortion, for example. The most practical way of expressing your disgust is to apply it to your personal life choices and those of your family. I wholeheartedly support you in that.

Lucky , it's precisely that you are so level headed and that it's entirely believable that you are qualified and skilled that I am concerned that you take a neutral stance. I don't regard you personally as a jobsworth and so my guess is that you are professionally neutral about circumcision because you have absorbed this professional rationale of neutrality. Professions have their own moral inertias. Please consider that, as Eduk put it , no child would circumcise himself or herself.

I live in England and am Scottish. I am a qualified nurse and I have never happened to help a surgeon to circumcise anyone. I doubt if any decent surgeon in the NHS would circumcise for reasons of religion or fashion. The medics' moral inertia is welfare and such status as medics have is exercised on behalf of the patient not his parents or his church. I imagine Oregon to be progressive and free , based on end of life choice which the state of Oregon extends to consenting adults, therefore I expected Oregon unlike the UK to support all rights of the child. The UK is backward about male child circumcision. I guess this must be because of 1. public apathy and 2. because in the UK there is a culture of being very polite about individuals' religions.

I surmise that the UK is backward about condemning cruel religious rituals because of religious intolerance in past centuries, and because here there is a real problem of integrating immigrants. Admittedly there's a worse degree of religious abuse than infant circumcision; there have been instances of child torture to rid the child of evil spirits although that is culpable in the UK.
I have real hopes that the better educated younger generation will eschew elective circumcision of infants.

IMO the current body modification fad is just the standard lifting of the bar that young adults and adolescents always do to seperate themselves from their parents.

I agree with you on the topic of circumcision, though I stand by my commentary as far as the current fad (as opposed to a cultural heritage) of ear gauges and tongue rings.

A_Seagull wrote: ↑April 11th, 2018, 12:10 am IMO All people circumcised for non-medical reasons and without their informed consent should have the right to sue their parents for GBH and demand lots of money in compensation.

LuckyR wrote: ↑April 7th, 2018, 1:47 am If I could wish for the best possible outcome for young master d, it would be to recover quickly and never look back. Move on and never give this topic another thought.

LuckyR wrote: ↑April 11th, 2018, 1:10 am

A_Seagull wrote: ↑April 11th, 2018, 12:10 am IMO All people circumcised for non-medical reasons and without their informed consent should have the right to sue their parents for GBH and demand lots of money in compensation.

You clearly need to become more familiar with the nuances of informed consent. As to the demand for lots of money, you also need to learn more about child rearing.

A_Seagull wrote: ↑April 11th, 2018, 6:35 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑April 11th, 2018, 1:10 am

You clearly need to become more familiar with the nuances of informed consent. As to the demand for lots of money, you also need to learn more about child rearing.

The good old ad hominem...

I would expect nothing less from you!!

Fooloso4 wrote: ↑April 12th, 2018, 1:46 pm Lucky’s unstated point is that minors cannot legally, and many would argue ethically, give informed consent. They are considered to be too young to make informed decisions.