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The hidden agenda of the education system

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Re: The hidden agenda of the education system

Post by Greta » February 22nd, 2018, 5:17 am

It was interesting to note that the US lags behind Jordan in math and science. Still, just as societies don't need all people to do everything, the world doesn't need every nation to do everything for itself, and it is restructuring globally.

Michio Kaku is one of those commentators whom I enjoy and admire while often finding myself disagreeing with his speculations. Examples: his overly simplistic model for measuring consciousness or promotion of the Kardashev scale as if humans won't be outlasted by AI (or melded to the point where a distinction is moot) look long before Type II civilisation is achieved (and the beings of a Kardashev Type III would probably be godlike, perhaps to us as we are to bacteria).

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Re: The hidden agenda of the education system

Post by Steve3007 » February 23rd, 2018, 4:44 am

Greta wrote:Steve, re: your prior point, you may find this Michio Kaku video about it interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXnAP6YUwZU
Yes, interesting that he cites the H1B visa scheme as a principle reason for the apparent discrepancy between relatively poor performance in US public schools and relatively good performance of the US tech industry.

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Re: The hidden agenda of the education system

Post by TeckelDackel » March 2nd, 2018, 10:25 am

Steve3007 wrote:
February 20th, 2018, 6:38 am
Namelesss wrote:To clarify (I find it odious to be talked about rather than to), my thoughts and feelings about the 'education system' in Amerika comes from experience/Knowledge.
Fair enough. You presumably know more about the US education system than me. But I still find it slightly odd that you apparently believe it's not necessary to learn anything about Quantum Mechanics (or, by extension, other subjects) in order to draw conclusions about it. Odd that you consider learning anything about the subject to be "irrelevant in the understanding the 'mystical' depths and implications of QM" as you put it.

I'm not saying you need to be an expert. But you should at least understand a little bit about the foundation of classical mechanics on which quantum mechanics is built - the reason why it was considered necessary to develop it. There are plenty of reasonably accessible books on the subject.

Yes, I totally agree, Steve.

I think that the West is on the cusp of a truly first order scientific revolution in the field Quantum physics. When I say "first order", I mean profounding life and world- transforming in the sense that the Darwinian and Copernican scientific revolutions.

The old order of classical (mechanical/ Newtonian) physical theory is rapidly giving way to the new order and new -paradigms of a nascent Quantum- scientific reality.

Given this, I believe that the fundamental principles of quantum mechanics such as "entanglement", the basic ideas that underpin the wave function, the concept of wave-particle duality, Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle and such like, should studied as part of the common ,core, compulsory high school curriculum in order to give all young people some degree of scientific literacy in preparation for the coming tidal wave of social /cultural change they will increasing encounter throughout their adult lives. Like you, I am talking here about providing an exposure to the basic , big ideas of 20th and 21st century quantum physics. I am not expecting them to delve into the complex mathematical intricacies of esoteric quantum mechanical phenomena or theoretical models.

( PS: I only mentioned the West because frankly, I have never ever lived, nor even set foot in, in country outside of the US, Australia and UK and consequently I do not know very at all about the realities of, say, Chinese or Russian or African, etc; societies and their cultural manners and mores!)


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