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What does "philosophy" mean ?

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What does "philosophy" mean ?
Part one, sections A to C1 *

A.
According to Ludovico Geymonat
in Storia della filosofia ad uso dei Licei Classici, Garzanti, 2nd ed., Milano 1962, pg5-6

For philosophy, every attempt at an initial definition presents even greater difficulties than for the individual special sciences: ... [we should] strive to gradually acquire an effective competence on what men have understood, in various epochs, with this name. [translated by milvalos]

B.
Here are some links to similar or other "philosophy" ideas that I do not agree with.

--- www.philosophypages.com/dy/p5.htm#phiy
--- www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Dictionary.html#P
--- plato.stanford.edu/search/searcher.py?query=philosophy
--- www.textlog.de/4846.html

C1.
My idea of ​​philosophy follows.

The etymology of the term philosophy
being widely shared
I deem absurd
the attribution of the term in question
to the result of the so called passage from myth to logos
as a matter of fact
the meaning of sophia
which means
the dominant culture in Hellas
but not just there
a culture conditioned
preponderantly by the paranormal
and by hieratic interpretations and elaborations
was and remains
inassimilable
to the not generally rational but
logic
processing of experience
started by Thales
perfected by Anaximander
thrown to the nettles by Anaximenes
forgotten or ignored
maybe in some cases
deliberately
from the Rest

This is the pars destruens

The construens one
is readable
in a sketch of a few years ago
in Spanish (or almost?) on the page
beta.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=22C
and in the second part of the theme
here in section C2


What does "philosophy" mean ?
Part two, section C2 **

Abigail['s question]
Which are the most and the least plausible philosophical currents according to your criterion ?
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My criterion is that

1-Thales was the First and Penultimate Philosopher because he tried, failing, the First Inclusive Explanation of the Real.
2-However Thales founded the Logic demonstrating the Non-separation between the Things and the Non-existence of the Void.
3-The Second and Last Philosopher was Anaximander, who proved the abstract, non-material, but logical character of the Bedrock without which none would become.
4-Successively the Two True Philosophers were misunderstood and ignored by the Thinkers of the Non-abstract who, unable to link the Empirical Discoveries to the Non-empirical Bedrock, opened the way to the Philosophies and to the Unbridled Research that gave us Nuclear Energy in place of studying it in an exclusively theoretical way.
5-CONCLUSION
a-The Philosophy previously described and the Logic are one and the same thing.
b-Philosophies are the demonstration of the Historical Failure of Logic.
c-To rid of the present mess the first thing is to study the Two True Philosophers on the original texts and to form local and / or telematic study groups to consolidate and transmit this Independent Study to the Later Generations.

Thank you for your question !

mikpalos [ma16se14 05y39]

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* Originally posted in Italian to luogocomune.net, then translated by the author.
** Originally posted in Spanish, to answers.yahoo.com, then translated by the (same) author.

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milvalos:
passage from myth to logos
I don't quite follow the other parts of your thinking, but I did appreciate this. For it is the assumption held by all, or nearly, that myth and logos are categorically different, that once our ancient ancestors turned to reason and observation, it was a new paradigm for understanding the world. I hold that because myth-making is not that different from science-making, the transition is more homogeneous than most think. Thus, the belief that the star constellation Orion is the product of some ancient human drama involving a hunter named Orion is,while a myth, in possession of the same justificatory dynamic that guides scientific theory.
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Hereandnow answers me:
milvalos:
passage from myth to logos

I don't quite follow the other parts of your thinking, but I did appreciate this. For it is the assumption held by all, or nearly, that myth and logos are categorically different, that once our ancient ancestors turned to reason and observation, it was a new paradigm for understanding the world. I hold that because myth-making is not that different from science-making, the transition is more homogeneous than most think. Thus, the belief that the star constellation Orion is the product of some ancient human drama involving a hunter named Orion is,while a myth, in possession of the same justificatory dynamic that guides scientific theory.
Thank so much
Hereandnow
for your answer
!
but

1.
how can you say
that you appreciate the
passage from myth to logos
(which is a widely shared view
(and not a part of my individual thinking
since you:
hold that because myth-making is not that different from science-making
while I consider
myth inassimilable to logos
? !

2.
You write:
I don't quite follow the other parts of your thinking
Fine
!
That's just why I am here
to know arguments
better than mine
if ever
able to understand them
at all
! ! !

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milvalos: I do wonder why your posts look like ee cummings poems.

Anyways, if you think myth is inassimilable to logos, I would ask what you think is essentially inassimilable. After all, myths are pragmatic, explanatory narratives; so are research papers in astronomy.
For the most part, and with the exception of Parmenedes and Heraclitus due to their influence on Plato, I don't think much about the presocratics.
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Hereandnow wrote: February 8th, 2018, 5:30 pm milvalos: I do wonder why your posts look like ee cummings poems.

Anyways, if you think myth is inassimilable to logos, I would ask what you think is essentially inassimilable. After all, myths are pragmatic, explanatory narratives; so are research papers in astronomy.
For the most part, and with the exception of Parmenedes and Heraclitus due to their influence on Plato, I don't think much about the presocratics.
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Hereandnow,

1.
thanks for the name of a poet
just unknown to me
though
my stile staccato
nothing has to do with His
as I can see in Wiki

My staccato
is for ridding of punctuation
while trying to reinforce the sharpness
of the elements of the sentence

2.
Essentially inassimilable
is just their difference

Myth entices
inspired intuition
while Logos
wants solid arguments
virtually open to everybody

3.
Agreed
that both
embody pragmatical values
but
their difference
is paramount

4.
Me too
starting from Anaximenes
down to us
and with your exceptions
but regardless of Plato

That's my point
and I am here
to reinforce
or
destroy it


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milvalos:
Myth entices
inspired intuition
while Logos
wants solid arguments
virtually open to everybody
Enticed inspired intuition vis a vis solid arguments open to all: Myth is a narrative derived mostly from the imagination, while logos is the the restraint and structure imposed on imagination. But while myth rises chiefly out of a dearth of observational evidence, and fills the need to know with fiction, the logos is ever present in the structure of thought itself. Zeus may have no observed counterpart, but is still conceived by logos. And empirically based argument, science and its theory, while grounded in observation, it is not absolute, but, like myth, fills the horizon regardless.
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Philosophy (from Greek φιλοσοφία, philosophia, literally "love of wisdom"
-wiki
I believe the key word within 'philosophy' is 'sophia' i.e. 'wisdom' and the term 'philosophy' was coined intuitively to represent that-which-humans-are-doing as intended to mean what 'sophia' is.

Throughout the ages the real purpose of philosophy [mainly sophia] was corrupted and now bastardized with a focus and monopolized by the incestuous academic philosophy.

Based on my research I think these description below re 'wisdom' fit most appropriately with what 'philosophy' was intended and still done by humans at present. Thus however 'philosophy' is defined, it must take into account the following;
Psychological perspectives:

Psychologists have gathered data on commonly held beliefs or folk theories about wisdom.[18] These analyses indicate that although "there is an overlap of the implicit theory of wisdom with intelligence, perceptiveness, spirituality and shrewdness, it is evident that wisdom is an expertise in dealing with difficult questions of life and adaptation to the complex requirements."[19]
Baltes et al. in 2002 through Wisdom: its structure and function in regulating lifespan successful development[20] defined
"Wisdom is the ability to deal with the contradictions of a specific situation and to assess the consequences of an action for themselves and for others. It is achieved when in a concrete situation, a balance between intrapersonal, inter- personal and institutional interests can be prepared".[21]

Researchers in the field of positive psychology have defined wisdom as the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and "its deliberate use to improve well being."[22] With this definition, wisdom is further defined as a multidimensional construct with the following facets:[23]
  • Problem Solving with self-knowledge and sustainable actions.

    Contextual, sincerity to the circumstances with knowledge of its negative and positive aspects (or constraints).

    Value based consistent actions with knowledge of diversity in ethical opinions.

    Tolerance towards uncertainty in life with unconditional acceptance.

    Empathy with oneself to understand one's own emotions (or to be emotionally oriented), morals...etc. and others feelings including the ability to see oneself as part of a larger whole.
Wisdom leads a person to overcome feelings of helplessness, powerlessness, anger or aggression by non-understanding of external elements and internal acknowledgement. It leads to a change from the experience of meaninglessness to meaningful goals, prospects for coping with critical life events and to engage constructively with complex life problems.[24] John Vervaeke has argued through cognitive science of wisdom that, when basic relevance realization processes that underlie cognition is fed back onto themselves and made self-referential/differentiated reflection with the problems facing and its dimensions, leads to enhanced insight abilities associated with wisdom.[25] Robert Sternberg[26] has segregated the capacity for judgement from the general qualifiers for intelligence, which is closer to cognizant aptitude than to wisdom. Displaying sound judgement in a complex, dynamic environment is a hallmark of wisdom.

Dr. B. Legesse et al., a neuropsychiatrist at McLean Hospital/Harvard Medical School, offers "a theoretical definition that takes into account many cultural, religious, and philosophical themes is that wisdom represents a demonstrated superior ability to understand the nature and behavior of things, people, or events."
He states "this results in an increased ability to predict behavior or events which then may be used to benefit self or others."
He furthermore adds "there is more often a desire to share the accrued benefits with a larger group for the purpose of promoting survival, cohesion, or well-being of that group. The benefits do not result from malicious or antisocial intents or inequitable behavior.

Environmental factors, such as family, education, socioeconomic status, culture, and religion, are involved in generating the milieu in which the personal value system develops. Many of these same factors also influence how a given community decides whether wisdom is present or not. This model of wisdom relies on the individual's ability to generate a mental representation of the self (cognitive, emotional, and physical), the external world, and the dynamic relationship of the self with the external world."
Dr. Legesse proposes that "the neural (brain) systems critical to enable these functions are distributed but heavily dependent on those that support memory, learning, understanding other people's mental states (Theory of Mind), and assigning relative value to information." The neuroanatomy of wisdom he says depends on "the three frontosubcortical neural networks, the limbic system, and the mirror neuron system" which "are of particular importance for supporting these activities."[27] However, the need to distinguish two very different “levels of analyses” has been proposed as being important especially when one attempts to describe wisdom using neural anatomy.[28]

Many, but not all, studies find that adults' self-ratings of perspective/wisdom do not depend on age.[23][29] This stands in contrast to the popular notion that wisdom increases with age,[29] supported by a recent study showing that regardless of their education, IQ or gender, older adults possess better reasoning about societal and interpersonal conflicts.[30]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom
Another aspects of 'wisdom' in relation to Philosophy is the following;
Wiki wrote:Developing wisdom is of central importance in Buddhist traditions, where the ultimate aim is often presented as “seeing things as they are” or as gaining a “penetrative understanding of all phenomena,” which in turn is described as ultimately leading to the “complete freedom from suffering.”[6][15] In Buddhism, developing wisdom is accomplished through an understanding of what are known as the Four Noble Truths and by following the Noble Eightfold Path.[6][15] This path lists mindfulness as one of eight required components for cultivating wisdom.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.
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Hereandnow,

provided that
it would have been more accurate of me
to define the elder
esoteric sophia
unidentifiable rather than inassimilable
to the new one
the logos

my points are that
1.
what appeared and disappeared
in the sixth century in Miletus was
though unnoticed
the most abstract
and as such
the most inclusive
till now unchallenged use
of logos itself
2.
at stake was not
how to fill the horizon
but what Homo Sapiens Sapiens
would have been able
to do of Himself

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Spectrum,

thanks so much
for your accurate answer
though
I am not able to see
its relevance to my stand
just the reason why
I made it

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