This is merely a discussion so it will go as far as we can take it. This discussion is like a potluck gathering where each participant contribute and each eat what they like from others but not necessary must eat everything that is brought to the table.Fooloso4 wrote: ↑July 27th, 2018, 7:58 amSpectrum:
Does Allison say that the thing in itself is an illusion? Where? No song and dance, just direct quotes stating that the thing in itself is an illusion.It is not my lone voice since I do align [not totally] with the Allison's camp.
I am not going to rehash your questionable interpretation again. Rather than provide evidence of Kant saying that the thing in itself is an illusion you fall back on the mistakes of the philosophical realist.
Burning ghost has rightly brought the discussion back to Heidegger, but you have made it abundantly clear that there is no point in me pursuing this or any other issue with you since you are convinced of your infallibility.
Whilst my views agree with Allison's I am not relying on him as my authority. My authority is based on what I have read directly from the CPR.
Allison did not equate the thing-in-itself with 'illusion' directly but some others did.
I suggest you explore more if you have the intent and time.
There are many types of illusion and the issue here is that of a transcendental illusion.
The common illusions are those of the senses, especially sight,, bent stick in water, etc..
What we do not encounter often are those of feel, taste, hearing, smells.
Note illusions in Music,
https://dianadeutsch.bandcamp.com/album ... -paradoxes
When we shift perspectives, the prior perspective could be illusory.
You think the marble you feel is solid? In another perspective that marble is 99.9999 empty space of particles travelling at speed of light to give you an illusion of a feel of hardness and solidness.
Next we have illusion of thoughts and common reason.
Illusion in common logic are exposed as fallacies.
But there are also illusions in transcendental logic which is not very obvious and need very serious reflection to understand.
The transcendental ideas are transcendental illusion arising from transcendental logic which is thought based [not senses like empirical illusion].
The issue is when the majority take this supposedly transcendental illusions as an objectively real thing empirically [e.g. the most real God] and this end up with terrible evils and violence which can be a very serious threat to humanity.
Whilst you may not have taken such transcendental illusions empirically, you are taking them as 'something' somewhere in mind and you just cannot understand how these illusions are illusory in nature as Kant has claimed.
My view of such transcendental illusions is critical to deal with the following;
1. the threat arising the ultimate source of all evils related to this;
2. An effective Framework and System of Morality & Ethics to leverage Perpetual Peace.
So my views are not based on some instant evil impulse but for the sake of the well being of humanity in the long run.