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Post by Being_1925 » June 4th, 2018, 9:07 pm

At the Age of 93 my Heart rate went down into the forties and so I had a fainting spell. The doctor decided I needed a pace maker and that made my heart go much faster 80 or 90. That shows without the electron, there could be no organic life. Only the mass of electrons can produce the condition for organic life, as it is the voltage that shows the power. Organic life needs only low voltage but the same electrons can also produce high voltage.

When so the electron is the cause for existence and life, it can’t take the position of what humans want in a god, because it is only in a small way conscious. Only human beings can be conscious, but individually not every person needs to be in a godlike position, as it is the ability of many to produce a mass of knowledge. There is already a great mass of knowledge with the microscope, all the basics of organic life and with the telescope some of the distances in the universe. It depends on the ability of humans, to find a goal for organic life, in the understanding of the fate of matter.

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Re: The Electron

Post by shuzbot » June 5th, 2018, 5:25 am

The Physicist, Richard Feynman speculated that all electrons in the universe where the same one travelling through time and space after observing their movement. An electron can be in one position in its orbit of an atom and then appear in a different position or orbit. Again, there is no proof of this, it was just pure speculation but it's interesting.

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Re: The Electron

Post by Being_1925 » June 17th, 2018, 7:25 pm

shuzbot wrote:
June 5th, 2018, 5:25 am
The Physicist, Richard Feynman speculated that all electrons in the universe where the same one travelling through time and space after observing their movement. An electron can be in one position in its orbit of an atom and then appear in a different position or orbit. Again, there is no proof of this, it was just pure speculation but it's interesting.
The electron is well known since ancient times, from the lightning by Thunderstorms. It evolves from heat energy, with a certain standard combination of energy particles, which also happens in solar panels. The lightning shows that electrons are attracted by the earth while energy is not. This attraction of energy by the sun is so far not yet acknowledged by science.

While it is well known that the sun has an attraction for all the planets, the cooling down of heat by entropy as the expiration or the end of energy can’t happen, energy can’t just disappear or all matter would be gone by now. So energy is not lost, it stays with the sun and makes it only more hot, this is what causes the warming of the earth. The ski is still clear. The heat energy shows no mass in tests, because it is attracted by the sun, it might even be less, as heated gas can make a balloon rise. The last ice age is only a few thousand years away when the energy was packed away under the earth’s surface, in mountains of coal and seas of oil. To think one can put all this energy back into the air without consequences, there will be some results.

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Re: The Electron

Post by Burning ghost » June 24th, 2018, 9:29 pm

shuzbot wrote:
June 5th, 2018, 5:25 am
The Physicist, Richard Feynman speculated that all electrons in the universe where the same one travelling through time and space after observing their movement. An electron can be in one position in its orbit of an atom and then appear in a different position or orbit. Again, there is no proof of this, it was just pure speculation but it's interesting.
He didn’t. He merely referred to what someone else had said (cannot remember who it was.)
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Re: The Electron

Post by Greta » June 25th, 2018, 12:08 am

The electron is the frothy seashore at the edge of the atomic nucleus's influence :)

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Re: The Electron

Post by Steve3007 » June 25th, 2018, 11:18 am

shuzbot wrote:The Physicist, Richard Feynman speculated that all electrons in the universe where the same one travelling through time and space after observing their movement.
The relevant question is not whether there is any proof of an idea like this but whether it is a useful idea. That is, whether it leads logically (possibly very indirectly) to a set of observations that can be tested empirically. In this case, the long and winding trail leading back to empirical observation goes via the key notion that all electrons are indistinguishable.

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Re: The Electron

Post by shuzbot » July 11th, 2018, 11:00 am

Steve3007 wrote:
June 25th, 2018, 11:18 am
shuzbot wrote:The Physicist, Richard Feynman speculated that all electrons in the universe where the same one travelling through time and space after observing their movement.
The relevant question is not whether there is any proof of an idea like this but whether it is a useful idea. That is, whether it leads logically (possibly very indirectly) to a set of observations that can be tested empirically. In this case, the long and winding trail leading back to empirical observation goes via the key notion that all electrons are indistinguishable.

I was responding to the OP. The OP sets the agenda for the thread, not you. And your first two sentences contradict each other. First, you say, "The relevant question is not whether there is any proof of an idea like this" and, then, reframe it as "whether it leads logically (possibly very indirectly) to a set of observations that can be tested empirically". You literally just said that isn't the relevant question!

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Re: The Electron

Post by shuzbot » July 11th, 2018, 11:01 am

Burning ghost wrote:
June 24th, 2018, 9:29 pm
shuzbot wrote:
June 5th, 2018, 5:25 am
The Physicist, Richard Feynman speculated that all electrons in the universe where the same one travelling through time and space after observing their movement. An electron can be in one position in its orbit of an atom and then appear in a different position or orbit. Again, there is no proof of this, it was just pure speculation but it's interesting.
He didn’t. He merely referred to what someone else had said (cannot remember who it was.)
Pedantry, yes it was John Wheeler originally but that doesn't detract from what I am saying.

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Re: The Electron

Post by shuzbot » July 11th, 2018, 11:03 am

Being_1925 wrote:
June 17th, 2018, 7:25 pm
shuzbot wrote:
June 5th, 2018, 5:25 am
The Physicist, Richard Feynman speculated that all electrons in the universe where the same one travelling through time and space after observing their movement. An electron can be in one position in its orbit of an atom and then appear in a different position or orbit. Again, there is no proof of this, it was just pure speculation but it's interesting.
The electron is well known since ancient times, from the lightning by Thunderstorms. It evolves from heat energy, with a certain standard combination of energy particles, which also happens in solar panels. The lightning shows that electrons are attracted by the earth while energy is not. This attraction of energy by the sun is so far not yet acknowledged by science.

While it is well known that the sun has an attraction for all the planets, the cooling down of heat by entropy as the expiration or the end of energy can’t happen, energy can’t just disappear or all matter would be gone by now. So energy is not lost, it stays with the sun and makes it only more hot, this is what causes the warming of the earth. The ski is still clear. The heat energy shows no mass in tests, because it is attracted by the sun, it might even be less, as heated gas can make a balloon rise. The last ice age is only a few thousand years away when the energy was packed away under the earth’s surface, in mountains of coal and seas of oil. To think one can put all this energy back into the air without consequences, there will be some results.
Sorry, absolutely no idea what you are talking about or how it interacts with my post but thanks for playing.

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Re: The Electron

Post by Being_1925 » December 9th, 2018, 4:41 pm

shuzbot wrote:
July 11th, 2018, 11:03 am
Sorry, absolutely no idea what you are talking about or how it interacts with my post but thanks for playing.
It is surely true, electrons always appear as the same one. As the electrons are obviously a combination of energy, it shows that energy is also always the same. So in organic life, every person has from the energy the same soul and so all the other organisms. Nobody has the same organic body, some are similar but not exactly the same. A body can exist only once. Without energy, organic life can not be alive.

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Re: The Electron

Post by A_Seagull » December 9th, 2018, 7:38 pm

Being_1925 wrote:
June 17th, 2018, 7:25 pm
shuzbot wrote:
June 5th, 2018, 5:25 am
The Physicist, Richard Feynman speculated that all electrons in the universe where the same one travelling through time and space after observing their movement. An electron can be in one position in its orbit of an atom and then appear in a different position or orbit. Again, there is no proof of this, it was just pure speculation but it's interesting.
The electron is well known since ancient times, from the lightning by Thunderstorms. It evolves from heat energy, with a certain standard combination of energy particles, which also happens in solar panels. The lightning shows that electrons are attracted by the earth while energy is not. This attraction of energy by the sun is so far not yet acknowledged by science.

While it is well known that the sun has an attraction for all the planets, the cooling down of heat by entropy as the expiration or the end of energy can’t happen, energy can’t just disappear or all matter would be gone by now. So energy is not lost, it stays with the sun and makes it only more hot, this is what causes the warming of the earth. The ski is still clear. The heat energy shows no mass in tests, because it is attracted by the sun, it might even be less, as heated gas can make a balloon rise. The last ice age is only a few thousand years away when the energy was packed away under the earth’s surface, in mountains of coal and seas of oil. To think one can put all this energy back into the air without consequences, there will be some results.
Maybe you should try reading an elementary book on physics, cos then next time you might have some idea what you are talking about.
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Re: The Electron

Post by LuckyR » December 10th, 2018, 2:16 am

Organic life isn't going to make it very far without a couple of protons and neutrons...
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Re: The Electron

Post by Being_1925 » December 16th, 2018, 4:45 pm

A_Seagull wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 7:38 pm

Maybe you should try reading an elementary book on physics, cos then next time you might have some idea what you are talking about.
Seagull writes: I should better read the books on physics, and I am sure there is everything about physics explained in there. But these details are hardly needed for someone in advanced age. What I am interested in, is how did energy create the human cell or any cell and that is not in books except one. Why should there be an interest, because all that is our body, will still exist after death and be part of the mass. The human cell is a great accomplishment and energy is compelled to keep the organic life going, by the sense that is expressed in an organic body. While energy creates this organic accomplishments, nothing of that can get into the human consciousness. Consciousness is developed for the safety and interest of the person, to get the facts of organic life into consciousness, it had to be done by exploration, so that the function of organic life could be understood.

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