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Eve and Pandora

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Re: Eve and Pandora

Post by Alias » July 29th, 2018, 12:03 pm

ThomasHobbes wrote:
July 29th, 2018, 10:03 am

You've only to understand the widespread myth from Augustine to Hesiod to know what mature men understand that power.
I perceive a distinction between 'mature' and 'old'.
Dotards tell lies to punish women for their own lost virility, just as they tell lies to punish young men for their own lost strength.
If women had real power, there could never have been any patriarchies.
Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit atrocities. - Voltaire

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Re: Eve and Pandora

Post by ThomasHobbes » July 29th, 2018, 5:40 pm

Alias wrote:
July 29th, 2018, 12:03 pm
ThomasHobbes wrote:
July 29th, 2018, 10:03 am

You've only to understand the widespread myth from Augustine to Hesiod to know what mature men understand that power.
I perceive a distinction between 'mature' and 'old'.
Dotards tell lies to punish women for their own lost virility, just as they tell lies to punish young men for their own lost strength.
If women had real power, there could never have been any patriarchies.
It's myth. It's not supposed to be logical.

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Re: Eve and Pandora

Post by Alias » July 29th, 2018, 7:00 pm

ThomasHobbes wrote:
July 29th, 2018, 5:40 pm
It's myth. It's not supposed to be logical.
What purpose would a myth serve that didn't make sense?
These stories are intended to convey a message.
They do have a logic - both internal and in harmony with the culture - with a distinct perspective, which is quite different from one nation to the next, and from one time-period to the next, and from one message to the next. Myths have many and varied origins, and their purpose can change considerably even over a single century.
By the time Homer and Hesiod get through with the Greek myths, they're little more than entertaining or cautionary tales.
(Of course, Augustine has a whole new axe to grind. But he doesn't come into this.)

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Re: Eve and Pandora

Post by ThomasHobbes » July 30th, 2018, 5:58 am

Alias wrote:
July 29th, 2018, 7:00 pm
ThomasHobbes wrote:
July 29th, 2018, 5:40 pm
It's myth. It's not supposed to be logical.
What purpose would a myth serve that didn't make sense?
I did not say they did not make sense.
These stories are intended to convey a message.
They do have a logic - both internal and in harmony with the culture - with a distinct perspective, which is quite different from one nation to the next, and from one time-period to the next, and from one message to the next. Myths have many and varied origins, and their purpose can change considerably even over a single century.
I was objecting to your modern cultural logic.
By the time Homer and Hesiod get through with the Greek myths, they're little more than entertaining or cautionary tales.
Rubbish.
Since we have ZERO evidence before Homer you can't make that statement. In any event Greek myths were perfectly understood by generations of Greeks long after Hesiod and Homer and found themselves repeated throughout the fifth Century by dramatists. You understanding of ancient history is woefully limited.
(Of course, Augustine has a whole new axe to grind. But he doesn't come into this.)
He is relevant since he complies with the cultural logic that inheres in the Eve myth which continued to have relevance at least into the 19thC.

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