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Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 1:58 am Pure and simple: All the particles that make up an organic organism are subject to physical laws, and no agent can interfere with their actions.

Belindi wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 7:37 am

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 1:58 am Pure and simple: All the particles that make up an organic organism are subject to physical laws, and no agent can interfere with their actions.

But the particles that make up Djacob7 are not a simple aggregate.Djacob7 is an intelligent system.An intelligent system is more of an agent for change than is an aggregate of particles.

Belindi wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 7:37 am

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 1:58 am Pure and simple: All the particles that make up an organic organism are subject to physical laws, and no agent can interfere with their actions.

But the particles that make up Djacob7 are not a simple aggregate.Djacob7 is an intelligent system.

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 1:58 am Pure and simple: All the particles that make up an organic organism are subject to physical laws, and no agent can interfere with their actions.

Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 12:29 pm

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 1:58 am Pure and simple: All the particles that make up an organic organism are subject to physical laws, and no agent can interfere with their actions.

How do we know this? Are we sure we know all the physical laws and phenomena? Is science complete?

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 2:47 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 12:29 pm How do we know this? Are we sure we know all the physical laws and phenomena? Is science complete?

On the macro scale, which includes single cells and larger, all organic systems seem to be stable. Even quantum probability or uncertainty do not make an animal go haywire. This means organic system are obeying physical laws, known and unknown.

LuckyR wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 6:32 pm

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 2:47 pm

On the macro scale, which includes single cells and larger, all organic systems seem to be stable. Even quantum probability or uncertainty do not make an animal go haywire. This means organic system are obeying physical laws, known and unknown.

"seem"?... doesn't sound definitive to me. Unfortunately for the air of certainty you'd like to give your conjecture, no one has drawn a line from the behavior of quarks through molecules, compounds, neurotransmitter receptors to behavior. Lots of uncertainty along the way.

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 6:41 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 6:32 pm

"seem"?... doesn't sound definitive to me. Unfortunately for the air of certainty you'd like to give your conjecture, no one has drawn a line from the behavior of quarks through molecules, compounds, neurotransmitter receptors to behavior. Lots of uncertainty along the way.

Lots of uncertainty, but not enough to allow for free will.

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 2:47 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 12:29 pm How do we know this? Are we sure we know all the physical laws and phenomena? Is science complete?

On the macro scale, which includes single cells and larger, all organic systems seem to be stable. Even quantum probability or uncertainty do not make an animal go haywire. This means organic system are obeying physical laws, known and unknown.

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 2:50 pm

Belindi wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 7:37 am But the particles that make up Djacob7 are not a simple aggregate.Djacob7 is an intelligent system.

So is a snail.

Belindi wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 2:50 pm

So is a snail.

Isn't relative ability to learn from experience the key attribute of intelligence?

Djacob7 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 7:55 pm

Belindi wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Isn't relative ability to learn from experience the key attribute of intelligence?

"Intelligence" is an anthropocentric meme. Learning is only one aspect of intelligence, and a very subjective one at that.
Which species is more likely to survive longer on Earth, termites or humans? Wouldn't you expect it would be the more intelligent one? Has the human species learned anything from history? Or does history repeat itself? How long would you guess till human doomsday? Hawking's guess is 1000 years. Intelligent?? Oh yes, we're so intelligent that we're already working on a backup planet for humanity!

Burning ghost wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 12:55 am Humanity is wonderful. If you are antihuman then ... well, er ...

We’re intelligent because we’re capable of more and able to fix things (including ourselves). Inevitably all species wil be gone one day, but we’re certainly quite different to other species (the confused ape as Sa-olsky puts it; neither one thing or the other).