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Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 5th, 2019, 10:41 am
by h_k_s
Newme wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 10:15 am
h_k_s wrote:
May 1st, 2019, 1:47 pm
Note that the English word "God" does not come from "good". That it does it a Protestant myth.

God comes from Goth. It is a Gothic word. It means "the Goth" or "the great Goth".

While Gothic did exist and was spoken somewhere in the northern woodlands of Roman Europe, the word God did not exist until the English language was ultimately born around 1066 CE.

God, depending on which Being you might be referring to, does have a name even several names.

We can read some versions of them in the Greek New Testament.

Other versions of them appear in the Hebrew Tenakh.
Interesting.

You motivated me to look up the origin of the word, God. I found that some say it is unknown, others:
  • “The earliest written form of the Germanic word god comes from the 6th century Christian Codex Argenteus. The English word itself is derived from the Proto-Germanic * ǥuđan.

    *Gudan was neuter in gender, and probably only meant "deity" in general.

    *The name of the Babylonian god of fortune is "gad."

    *Etymology of the Word "God". the name sometimes applied to an idol as the image or dwelling-place of a god. The root-meaning of the name (from Gothic root gheu; Sanskrit hub or emu, "to invoke or to sacrifice to") is either "the one invoked" or "the one sacrificed to."

    *From a root *ǵʰau̯- (*ǵʰeu̯h2-) "to call, to invoke" (Sanskrit hūta).
That aside, please realize I’m using the word as a symbol for what God means to me... essentially highest good. Even if the word God has other origins, I care more what it means to me now. We might agree God (as understood currently by most) is at least partly subjectively defined.
For philosophical purposes, God means the Great Entity that provides an infinitely past and present entity which fills the void for a creation of matter and energy.

For religious purposes in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, it is a Being who is like the philosophical God.

We should not forget that Aristotle concluded that there must be 50 or so God(s). He got this from his eye-view observations of the heavens -- 5,000 stars.

We now know there are 2 billion galaxies, not just 5,000 stars.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 5th, 2019, 10:50 pm
by Alias
h_k_s wrote:
May 5th, 2019, 10:41 am
For philosophical purposes, God means the Great Entity that provides an infinitely past and present entity which fills the void for a creation of matter and energy.
Where in philosophy does that sentence have meaning?

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 6th, 2019, 10:38 am
by h_k_s
Alias wrote:
May 5th, 2019, 10:50 pm
h_k_s wrote:
May 5th, 2019, 10:41 am
For philosophical purposes, God means the Great Entity that provides an infinitely past and present entity which fills the void for a creation of matter and energy.
Where in philosophy does that sentence have meaning?
So … I am guessing here … but it sounds like you have not yet figured this out on your own.

Refer to Aristotle.

Refer to Aquinas.

Refer to Descartes.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 11th, 2019, 11:17 pm
by Alias
h_k_s wrote:
May 6th, 2019, 10:38 am

Refer to Aristotle.

Refer to Aquinas.

Refer to Descartes.

I wish you could link those passages.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 12th, 2019, 5:27 pm
by h_k_s
Alias wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 11:17 pm
h_k_s wrote:
May 6th, 2019, 10:38 am

Refer to Aristotle.

Refer to Aquinas.

Refer to Descartes.

I wish you could link those passages.
The study of Philosophy involves a lot of reading.

You better get started.

Wiki has great summaries to get you started.

Bertrand Russell and practically every college philosophy professor has written about Aristotle and about Descartes.

You'll need to dig deeper for Aquinas.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 15th, 2019, 11:41 am
by Alias
h_k_s --- For philosophical purposes, God means the Great Entity that provides an infinitely past and present entity which fills the void for a creation of matter and energy.
I have read the originals, not the wiki summaries. Nowhere did I encounter that incomprehensible sentence. This is why I asked you for a citation. Perhaps you could show a context for its meaning.
You wrote it. I assume you understand it. Can you parse it for those of us more accustomed to plain speech?

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 15th, 2019, 6:03 pm
by h_k_s
Alias wrote:
May 5th, 2019, 10:50 pm
h_k_s wrote:
May 5th, 2019, 10:41 am
For philosophical purposes, God means the Great Entity that provides an infinitely past and present entity which fills the void for a creation of matter and energy.
Where in philosophy does that sentence have meaning?
Roger Scruton has a chapter on "God" in his book "Modern Philosophy".

He talks about the contradictions and paradoxes of philosophy with or without a God-concept.

Good book. Probably state of the art in British Empiricism right now.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 15th, 2019, 11:15 pm
by Alias
h_k_s --- For philosophical purposes, God means the Great Entity that provides an infinitely past and present entity which fills the void for a creation of matter and energy.
Can? You? Parse? Your? Sentence?

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 17th, 2019, 5:32 pm
by Newme
Alias wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 11:15 pm
h_k_s --- For philosophical purposes, God means the Great Entity that provides an infinitely past and present entity which fills the void for a creation of matter and energy.
Can? You? Parse? Your? Sentence?
Hi Alias!
I’ll give it a shot. After all, IMO, spiritual intelligence is significantly empathy & emotional intelligence.

God is a 3-letter word that represents eternal (beyond time) energy & matter.

The philosophically esteemed, honorary L Frank Baum, brilliantly depicted 3 elements of this higher GOoD, as symbolized by the brain (intelligent design), heart (“the kingdom of God is within you”) and courage (will expressed as love). If you contemplate this within your noggin, you will find some sense in there. ;)

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 17th, 2019, 7:49 pm
by Alias
Newme wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 5:32 pm
The philosophically esteemed, honorary L Frank Baum, brilliantly depicted 3 elements of this higher GOoD, as symbolized by the brain (intelligent design), heart (“the kingdom of God is within you”) and courage (will expressed as love). If you contemplate this within your noggin, you will find some sense in there. ;)
This, yes, within its limited and somewhat disingenuous context. I have no problem with the various epicyclic permutations of the god concept.

The entity-giving-entity to fill a creative void - still no. Point being, I'm pretty sure neither does h_k_s, who thought gobbledygook was an acceptable substitute for philosophical rigour.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 17th, 2019, 8:54 pm
by Felix
Alias, FYI, God has ordained that h_k_s may not write more than 6 sentences in any forum post, so don't bother asking him to expound on his statements.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 17th, 2019, 10:14 pm
by Alias
Too late! Though I would have settled for one sentence in a language I speak. 'sawright, though

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 18th, 2019, 11:14 am
by h_k_s
Felix wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 8:54 pm
Alias, FYI, God has ordained that h_k_s may not write more than 6 sentences in any forum post, so don't bother asking him to expound on his statements.
I actually do prefer to keep it short and sweet, yes.

That avoids the fallacy of pontification.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 18th, 2019, 11:18 am
by h_k_s
Alias wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:49 pm
Newme wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 5:32 pm
The philosophically esteemed, honorary L Frank Baum, brilliantly depicted 3 elements of this higher GOoD, as symbolized by the brain (intelligent design), heart (“the kingdom of God is within you”) and courage (will expressed as love). If you contemplate this within your noggin, you will find some sense in there. ;)
This, yes, within its limited and somewhat disingenuous context. I have no problem with the various epicyclic permutations of the god concept.

The entity-giving-entity to fill a creative void - still no. Point being, I'm pretty sure neither does h_k_s, who thought gobbledygook was an acceptable substitute for philosophical rigour.
Aquinas had said almost everything you need to read about the Philosophy-God.

Prior to Aquinas, Aristotle himself imagined a group of Gods based on the numerous stars in the night sky that he could see -- around 50 or so. But additionally Aristotle surmised that this or these Philosophy-God(s) were immersed in themselves because to be anything other would be less than perfect. In other words, for God to consider humans would be like a human considering a dog pile -- revolting.

So if you want to study God then study Aquinas. Don't ask me to regurgitate him for you.

Re: How would God know He/She was reborn?

Posted: May 18th, 2019, 11:20 am
by h_k_s
The Aristotelean concept of God is also consistent with Modern British Empiricism -- that God is immersed in Himself/Herself/Itself.

You can read about that in Roger Scruton's book "Modern Philosophy" -- a good buy and a great read.