Words restrict Reality?
- Robee321
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Words restrict Reality?
Obviously. The Human 'Matrix' of understanding is very necessary for modern Humans to function in a Modern world.
But Words are in fact just a part of an 'Identification software reality'? That has been 'developed' to make sense of the Modern Psychological/Physical Reality Humans exist in.
Human Understanding of 'Everything' is based on Collective agreement of what words mean.
If all Humans Disappeared. Everything else would still exist as it always has. But without Human words for Identification, Value and Meaning for the benefit of Humans.
As things stand. Everything exists from the 'standpoint' of its own existence.
For example: A Tree exists without knowing its a Tree. Its only a Tree because Humans collectively agree to identify it as a Tree. Same goes for just about everything Non human.
It is the same for Humans too. Every word a Human Knows. Is the result of Human Collective agreement to the same knowing.
So. To understand the Individual reality of all 'things' We need to remove the Human Identification/Meaning Label? We need the ability to temporarily remove the Human Identification and Meaning to understand something from the 'standpoint of its own Individual Existence? Some kind of. New form of Empathic Understanding??
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Re: Words restrict Reality?
The 'empathic understanding' would then be more of a deduction based synthesis of ideas based on observation that result in hypothesis'.
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Nothing is "obvious."Robee321 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:59 am Human Understanding is now restricted within the confines of the Modern 'Word'?
Obviously. The Human 'Matrix' of understanding is very necessary for modern Humans to function in a Modern world.
But Words are in fact just a part of an 'Identification software reality'? That has been 'developed' to make sense of the Modern Psychological/Physical Reality Humans exist in.
Human Understanding of 'Everything' is based on Collective agreement of what words mean.
If all Humans Disappeared. Everything else would still exist as it always has. But without Human words for Identification, Value and Meaning for the benefit of Humans.
As things stand. Everything exists from the 'standpoint' of its own existence.
For example: A Tree exists without knowing its a Tree. Its only a Tree because Humans collectively agree to identify it as a Tree. Same goes for just about everything Non human.
It is the same for Humans too. Every word a Human Knows. Is the result of Human Collective agreement to the same knowing.
So. To understand the Individual reality of all 'things' We need to remove the Human Identification/Meaning Label? We need the ability to temporarily remove the Human Identification and Meaning to understand something from the 'standpoint of its own Individual Existence? Some kind of. New form of Empathic Understanding??
You need to make your case, provide your evidence, and draw your logical conclusions.
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Do plants like trees have consciousness?Robee321 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:59 am Human Understanding is now restricted within the confines of the Modern 'Word'?
Obviously. The Human 'Matrix' of understanding is very necessary for modern Humans to function in a Modern world.
But Words are in fact just a part of an 'Identification software reality'? That has been 'developed' to make sense of the Modern Psychological/Physical Reality Humans exist in.
Human Understanding of 'Everything' is based on Collective agreement of what words mean.
If all Humans Disappeared. Everything else would still exist as it always has. But without Human words for Identification, Value and Meaning for the benefit of Humans.
As things stand. Everything exists from the 'standpoint' of its own existence.
For example: A Tree exists without knowing its a Tree. Its only a Tree because Humans collectively agree to identify it as a Tree. Same goes for just about everything Non human.
It is the same for Humans too. Every word a Human Knows. Is the result of Human Collective agreement to the same knowing.
So. To understand the Individual reality of all 'things' We need to remove the Human Identification/Meaning Label? We need the ability to temporarily remove the Human Identification and Meaning to understand something from the 'standpoint of its own Individual Existence? Some kind of. New form of Empathic Understanding??
Plants turn towards the sun, even trees.
This suggests some kind of consciousness.
Ergo a tree may very well know that it is a tree. I think you have overlooked that.
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Welcome to the Forum. You do sound like a very good philosopher so far. Hopefully you will enjoy debating logically with us.dawwg wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 5:56 am Hello and welcome to my world (this is also my first post here :) ) In my world there are rules. The rules in my world were established before I came here; therefore the 'collective agreement' is dependent upon ratification by an authority.
The 'empathic understanding' would then be more of a deduction based synthesis of ideas based on observation that result in hypothesis'.
"Rules" implies the existence of a ruling authority which enforces them. By rules you probably mean laws of nature, such as gravity, combustion, motion, entropy, conservation of matter and energy combined, and so forth.
We still don't know much about this Ruling Authority. He/She/They have not readily introduced Themselves to us ordinary people.
Thanks to Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas, Descartes, Leibniz, and Kant, we have been able to formulate some ideas about this Ruling Authority.
This anonymity by these Ruling Authorities is convenient for us however because it gives us great flexibility in defining them for ourselves.
But after we apply our philosophical intellects to do so, then we must have faith in our philosophy and in Their existence, for our own benefit.
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He ( dawwg ) is just setting the stage with his first post. I understood him okay.Hereandnow wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:04 pm But Dawwg, yours needs a little explaining: how are you, explicitly, responding to Robee321? Your idea is clear, but its relevance is sketchy.
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Technically it is spelled -- 'bated -- as in "abated."
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Consider what names are - and are not. They are labels but they tell us nothing about things, they just allow us to talk about them.
Richard Feynman on the limitations of labels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFIYKmos3-s
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Thankyou for the welcome
Ah! I am a slow learner with much to learn, including the politics of addressing the topic or disparaging the participants.
I doubt the rules of this forum are intrinsically laws of nature, however much an authority would like to consider be regarded as such.
And there's probably a rule that applies. Why is one person/one card drawn out of the deck of 52? By chance? By design? Granted the uninformed are entitled to their doubts and their expression of them.
Suppositions circulated by authorities on the matter such as you lot
"Can we all agree on that" well, no, but we can invoke precedent in our favor.
Personally I think 'faith in our philosophy" is overly optimistic. Look around, the philosophy of division and advantage results in National identity and warfare, you have faith in that?
"and in Their existence, for our own benefit"- No doubt the laws that proscribe us exist, and humanity is a product of resisting the law of the jungle.
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Is Reality sufficient unto itself to the exclusion of words?
Evidently in reality words exist, therefor the necessity of words is apparent at this location in ultimate reality, as are fleas.
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Was human understanding ever not restricted?Human Understanding is now restricted within the confines of the Modern 'Word'?
Why is this only modern humans in a modern world? Was it different before? Language is a just a toolObviously. The Human 'Matrix' of understanding is very necessary for modern Humans to function in a Modern world.
What other physical reality do humans exist in?But Words are in fact just a part of an 'Identification software reality'? That has been 'developed' to make sense of the Modern Psychological/Physical Reality Humans exist in.
Words don't mean anything, but provide common usages. The same word in one location/culture can mean something completely different in another location/culture.Human Understanding of 'Everything' is based on Collective agreement of what words mean.
Not sure what the point is?If all Humans Disappeared. Everything else would still exist as it always has. But without Human words for Identification, Value and Meaning for the benefit of Humans.
Not sure what the point is?As things stand. Everything exists from the 'standpoint' of its own existence.
Not agreed on collectively by all humans, and some non-humans have their own rudimentary language/communication systemFor example: A Tree exists without knowing its a Tree. Its only a Tree because Humans collectively agree to identify it as a Tree. Same goes for just about everything Non human.
Again not all humans have the same understanding. There are words that do not exist in other languages or concepts that can't be properly communicated in other languagesIt is the same for Humans too. Every word a Human Knows. Is the result of Human Collective agreement to the same knowing.
What is an individual reality and how do you remove labels?So. To understand the Individual reality of all 'things' We need to remove the Human Identification/Meaning Label?
How do you do what you recommend and can you prove that is even possible? What is a new form of empathic understanding or even define what this means?We need the ability to temporarily remove the Human Identification and Meaning to understand something from the 'standpoint of its own Individual Existence? Some kind of. New form of Empathic Understanding??
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