It's not important, unless you're chasing patterns, but I think of learning by doing as engaging in a goal oriented task, whereas learning by experience is a vague term because one can learn something from practically any experience.Pattern-chaser: OK, then please clarify their differences?
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If that's how you see it, then I meant to refer to learning by doing, in your terms.Felix wrote: ↑October 14th, 2019, 12:38 pmIt's not important, unless you're chasing patterns, but I think of learning by doing as engaging in a goal oriented task, whereas learning by experience is a vague term because one can learn something from practically any experience.Pattern-chaser: OK, then please clarify their differences?
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Therefore if reason is the criterion for excellence then the more knowledgeable thoughts and the better judgements are the more reasoned and reasonable ones. Much as I like it I'm not sure that reason should be so elevated.
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There you go, @Felix, that's what they learn by doing. But the example of an apprentice or student is perhaps a better one than babies.Greta wrote: ↑October 18th, 2019, 3:05 am Info re: babies' learning at age six months here: https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/actearly/mil ... s-6mo.html
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Reason is just a tool, and it's proven quite useful in the past. Perhaps more of an issue is how we decide that some judgements are 'better' than others? Better how, and in what way? And what justification is there for such a judgement, if any?
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Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑October 18th, 2019, 9:51 amReason is just a tool, and it's proven quite useful in the past. Perhaps more of an issue is how we decide that some judgements are 'better' than others? Better how, and in what way? And what justification is there for such a judgement, if any?
When we ask "how better?" are we seeking a better goal or a better method to attain a goal? Or is the procedure itself the goal?
For instance in the field of religion is the top ethic a form or an intention? In the football field is the game the winning or the playing? In politics is it better to strive for Utopia than to believe I have found it? In the field of ideas is it better to be uncertain than to be certain?
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Certainty is the bane of human thought, I think. Certainty is something we discover - and not often! - not something we can create. I'm not even sure it's worth actively seeking for certainty; if it's there, we may find it. But if not....Belindi wrote: ↑October 18th, 2019, 12:32 pmPattern-chaser wrote: ↑October 18th, 2019, 9:51 am
Reason is just a tool, and it's proven quite useful in the past. Perhaps more of an issue is how we decide that some judgements are 'better' than others? Better how, and in what way? And what justification is there for such a judgement, if any?
When we ask "how better?" are we seeking a better goal or a better method to attain a goal? Or is the procedure itself the goal?
For instance in the field of religion is the top ethic a form or an intention? In the football field is the game the winning or the playing? In politics is it better to strive for Utopia than to believe I have found it? In the field of ideas is it better to be uncertain than to be certain?
So "better" is an unhelpful concept here, IMO. It just brings with it the question "what is better?".
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n "what is better?".So "better" is an unhelpful concept here, IMO. It just brings with it the questio
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If the question leads to something useful, then yes. But what if this question - 'What is "better"?' - just distracts us from useful cogitation, toward a simple and familiar semantic discussion of terms and their meanings? I think asking what "better" means is like asking what "good" means. And isn't that a pointless question? [ I.e. a question whose answer(s) are not useful or informative. ]
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The only alternative at that level of ethical hierarchy to asking "What is good?" is not to ask anything, because nothing can be equal to good.
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