No, you're right there! It means only what it says. Pain is a bad example because it's treated differently, that's all. Other qualia would surely make for easier discussion?Atla wrote: ↑January 23rd, 2021, 5:21 amThat doesn't mean whatsoever that there are fundamentally two kinds of qualia.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 1:23 pm
Pain signals are preferentially routed around perception and consciousness, to hasten reaction-time. I think the amygdala is involved. Pain is different, and treated differently too, with good reason, no?
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But it seems that the phenomenologist really believes that some qualia are different, that they carry some kind of primordial presence/value/meaning, while other qualia don't have this.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 23rd, 2021, 8:56 amNo, you're right there! It means only what it says. Pain is a bad example because it's treated differently, that's all. Other qualia would surely make for easier discussion?
I'd like to see some good argument why this would be the case. As a nondualist I consider this to be a lazy, superficial, misguided idea, they didn't have the guts to go all the way, when they investigated what phenomena are.
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All qualia are different, so I see no reason why some of them should not differ in the way you describe. The notion is actually quite attractive, I find.... But I know of no argument to demonstrate that this notion actually exists in the real world. As you say, it would be interesting to see such an argument.
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As usual you are making a mockery out of an issue with massive implications. I'd prefer if you'd refrain from replying to my comments in the future.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 24th, 2021, 7:16 am All qualia are different, so I see no reason why some of them should not differ in the way you describe. The notion is actually quite attractive, I find....
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Because I am curious, you think I'm mocking? Why is a perspective different from your own so scary?Atla wrote: ↑January 24th, 2021, 3:33 pmAs usual you are making a mockery out of an issue with massive implications.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 24th, 2021, 7:16 am All qualia are different, so I see no reason why some of them should not differ in the way you describe. The notion is actually quite attractive, I find....
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