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Re: Would Humanity Be Better Off Without Men?

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h_k_s wrote: December 31st, 2020, 6:58 pmIn humans, other than with rape, the females choose the richest male they can find and manage to attract or seduce.
Your claim is overly cynical, giving the impression that women lack character. It's like saying that all men choose a partner based only on beauty, which is equally unfounded.

Each gender has simple baselines to tolerate - how poor, how ugly, how mentally unstable, how unreliable, how selfish etc. In each case, a person will draw a line, where they won't put up with a certain level of poverty, ugliness, instability etc. Once those baselines are met, personality, compatibility, character and common interests are important factors for many - women, men and anyone in between.
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NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 9:24 am Here's an analogy which may help.

Older folks have often found the Internet to be confusing, confounding, and even unnecessary. Younger folks born after 2000 have never known anything but a world with the Net, and take to it like fish take to swimming. Most of them probably can't imagine society without the Net. How would you TikTok??? :-)

Point being, a world without men understandably seems like a totally insane idea to us, because we've never seen or even thought about anything like that. But the experience of those born in to a world without men would probably be entirely different.
What do you mean by, "PROBABLY", be entirely different. It WOULD, OBVIOUSLY, BE entirely different.

Just like a 'world' WITHOUT WOMEN, WOULD BE entirely different, or a 'world' WITHOUT CHILDREN, or a 'world' WITHOUT ADULTS, WOULD BE entirely different. Or, even a 'world' WITHOUT LIONS and TIGERS, WOULD BE entirely different, So on and so on.
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 9:24 am It wouldn't be a crazy idea to them, it would be the everyday status quo, their normality.
OF COURSE, just like WHEN the 'world' 'we' are ALL living in will be a Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious 'world', then ALL of 'us', in this 'world', will and do SEE 'this world' as being PERFECTLY NORMAL. We also wonder how 'you', people, in the days of when this is being written, lasted so long living in those Truly ancient, destructive and very barbaric and abusive ways.

Also, and a big BUT, how do you get to a 'world' without men without killing off those born with male genitalia or without mutilating their genitals?

See, by adults just LOOKING AT their WRONG and BAD behaviors, which they obtained from the VERY SAME thing they are doing to children, that is; CHILD ABUSE, THEN they can CHANGE, and then when they DO, then thee Truly Peaceful 'world' can ACTUALLY start to BEGIN.

Peace is NOT gained through NOR from violence, which is what would ACTUALLY be NEEDED for a 'world' without men. But Peace is gained through harmony AND understanding, which is what is ACTUALLY NEEDED in order to CHANGE, for the better. A Peaceful 'world' from harmony AND understanding is obtained WITHOUT ANY 'violence' AT ALL. Whereas, a 'menless' 'world' involves and NEEDS 'violence' and so could NEVER be a Peaceful 'world'.
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 9:24 am They wouldn't have to speculate about such a world as they'd be living in it and could see the reality of it with their own eyes.
And when human beings are actually living in 'Reality', Itself, which is thee Truly Peaceful 'world', which is soon to become REAL, from when these words were written, then what is occurring is we are ACTUALLY observing AND experiencing 'this world', and wondering WHY human beings took so long to 'wake up to themselves'. But 'we' are also forever grateful for that one generation that FINALLY decided to become Truly Honest, and thus becoming Truly OPEN, and thus Truly being able to SEE and LEARN HOW EXACTLY to CHANGE, for the better, for Everyone, forever more.
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 9:24 am If it was true that a world without men had 90%+ less violence than today, and tons more money available for constructive purposes, what serious person of this future time would suggest going back to what we experience today?
That is ONE HUGE IF. Especially even YOU consider this IF as having NO CHANCE of happening.
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Re: Would Humanity Be Better Off Without Men?

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NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 9:32 am I'm certainly not going to live to see a world without men, or even a world without this man. :-)

So, from a philosophical perspective, what interests me about a world without men is that it could be an example of how ideas which seem obviously to be entirely blatantly ridiculous might not actually be so. You know, sometimes the commonly accepted wisdom of the group consensus turns out to actually be insanity.

Half of America voted for Trump, twice.

We have thousands of hydrogen bombs aimed down our own throats, and find that boring.

Every other car on the road risks their life by tailgating, for no conceivable benefit.

It's not that unusual for any group consensus to have it's head far up it's butt. Right?
Do you REALLY STILL BELIEVE that a 'world' without men would somehow be ACTUALLY Truly 'peaceful'?

If yes, then what are you basing this on EXACTLY? The VERY SMALL majority of men who are violent?

Are you AWARE that categorizing/generalizing ALL human beings of ANY particular group based on just some of that group is a DISTORTED way of LOOKING AT and SEEING things?
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NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 9:39 am
Greta wrote: December 29th, 2020, 7:26 pmWe - all genders - would ideally do better for the young, just as we should do better for all the other groups - but we don't. Why?
One of the obstacles being explored in this thread is that we lack the imagination to think at the necessary scales.
I do NOT recall that the 'lack of the imagination' was being explored here.

If we WANT to Truly LOOK AT and EXPLORE a 'lack of imagination', then just LOOK AT 'this'.

I can SHOW and PROVE just HOW a Truly Peaceful 'world', where EVERY one is living in Harmony with one "another", CAN happen and IS very shortly about to BECOME a Reality.

Just observe how MANY people take up MY OFFER to let us LOOK AT this and DISCUSS this OPENLY. And this will SHOW just how prolific 'lack of imagination' Truly IS in adult human beings, in the days of when this is being written.

However, in saying this, I am LOOKING INTO your proposition of a 'world without men', and asked you some clarifying questions regarding this "idea" of YOURS. Until you provide ACTUAL answers that will overcome what I am pointing out in my questions, then this ACTUAL 'lack of imagination' is just being EXPOSED further and ONCE MORE.
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 9:24 am So we boost the budget for the child abuse hotline by 6% in the coming calendar year, call that a job well done, move on to something else, and longstanding patterns continue with minimal change.
'Money', or more correctly, 'the love of money' is the THIRD root to ALL 'evil', or more correctly, ALL WRONG.

So, budgets are a (huge) part of the 'problem' or issue here, which is ALL overcome with the RIGHT solution, RIGHT formula, and with the RIGHT steps.
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Re: Would Humanity Be Better Off Without Men?

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NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 10:46 am
Papus79 wrote: December 30th, 2020, 10:17 amI suppose then that my objection goes more toward 'do we have a choice?'. That's the question that i don't think we have our minds wrapped around and might not be able to until AI's really gotten a working handle on our genetics and the outcomes of different configurations and how exchanges of genetic data between individuals offer significant changes that asexual duplication would not.
We agree that more information and analysis would be ideal. The question remains as to how much time we have available for developing such info. I don't have the answer to that obviously, other than to remind us that we currently have the ability to erase modern civilization quite promptly.

Perhaps some small society could go single gender as a limited test?
Are you AWARE of just how quick a single gender society would DIE OUT?
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 10:46 am
So the problem here actually isn't 'men' per say, it's Darwinian game theory. It's arms races.
The problem is men, unless we could demonstrate that a women only society would engage in the same arms races.
How, EXACTLY, are men the 'problem'?

EXPLAIN this so that we can all SEE it.
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 10:46 am That might be true, and perhaps could be demonstrated, but I'm having a real hard time picturing it at the moment, for the following reason...

For perhaps millions of years before we were even human the role of females has been to create and nurture the next generation, while the role of males has been to compete with other males to weed out the weak DNA, and then defend the cave.
This 'might be' PERHAPS, but then again it 'might be' PERHAPS NOT.

What happens IF PERHAPS the role of the males was NOT to "compete with other males, for ANY reason" and NOT to "defend caves", but was ACTUALLY just ACTUAL help AND support the females in the Creating, caring for, nurturing, and guiding of the next generation.

Also, in your sentence here, it has OBVIOUSLY just NOT been the role of females to create the next generation. To create each and EVERY generation, hitherto when this was written, the role to create the next generation was, and STILL IS, EQUALLY SHARED by 'men' AND 'women'.

Furthermore, if men ONCE HAD TO 'compete' and 'defend' against each other, then they CERTAINLY DO NOT NEED TO, in the days of when this is being written.
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 10:46 am These are very long standing deeply rooted products of evolution that are not likely to change quickly due to just current cultural circumstances.
These are also EXCUSES used by men to 'try to' "justify" " putting women, "in their place" ", and/or to 'try to' "justify" their WRONG behaviors towards and against their fellow men/human beings.
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 10:46 am Men competing with other men is a valid useful biological function,
LOL for 'what', EXACTLY?
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 10:46 am unless they are competing with massively powerful tools which can efficiently erase the entire system.
Well considering the FACT that the current 'system' NEEDS completely getting RID OF, men, or human beings, being considered a NECESSARY part of living is just an EXCUSE used by some in an attempt their OBVIOUSLY WRONG BEHAVING.
NukeBan wrote: December 30th, 2020, 10:46 am
I don't know if you're familiar at all with Daniel Schmachtenberger, he's great to listen to on arms races, multi-polar traps, etc.
Don't know him, will welcome an introduction. Maybe deserves his own thread?
One of the problems is that if you lets say remove the most aggressive players, and for some reason you try and do this in a simplistic manner by removing the Y chromosome, you end up with the most aggressive women doing something similar since that space to kick off arms races has not become open and available to them.
Gotta agree that could happen. Probably would happen to some degree or another. It would however take more than a relatively small number of nasty women to maintain civilization threatening structures like nuclear weapons systems. If violence was dramatically reduced support for such systems likely would too?
I think in this case there are better options than getting rid of men,
This is an extremely widespread sentiment, close to universal. And very many such things have been tried. My proposal is just trying to realistically confront the fact that all these various methods are not working, ie. not preventing a further slide towards culture suicide. To my knowledge, no society in history has succeeded in keeping the peaceful men while successfully managing the violent men.
Almost all of this - IMHO - is sexual selection driving men into arms races with men, women into arms races with women.
The men vs. men contest is obvious, and indeed useful, until it reaches unsustainable scale. Obviously women compete with women too, but rarely with automatic weapons etc.
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Greta wrote: December 31st, 2020, 6:10 am Get serious, "actual child abuse" refers to beatings, rape, torture and starvation.
LOL The EXAMPLES of "minimization" and "justification" are coming out now.

The VERY REASON WHY humanity, and thus the 'world', is in the downhill spiral trajectory that it is in now, is because of this EXACT SAME ATTITUDE, which you are SHOWING and PROVIDING here now.
Greta wrote: December 31st, 2020, 6:10 am Your overstatement just acts to diminish the experiences of those who have undergone such abuse.
LOL "overstatement".

Do you REALLY think or believe that word is going to HIDE thee ACTUAL Truth of things?
Greta wrote: December 31st, 2020, 6:10 am Policies that do little to help families are not "child abuse", they are just poliices that don't suit children. By the same token, policies that hurt the unemployed (ie. often children a decade later) are not "unemployed abuse".
"Policies" are written by adult human beings, for their benefit MOSTLY.

NO adult, in the days of when this is written, are going to write 'policies' about how 'we', the adult human being, NEEDS to LOOK AT our OWN WRONG behaviors towards children, for the SOLE and SIMPLE FACT, which you have shown above, nearly ALL adults BELIEVE that they do NOT do WRONG to children.

For EXAMPLE, there is NOT a skerrick of BELIEF within you that you ABUSE CHILDREN or even could have ABUSED CHILDREN, correct?

The very THING NEEDED to fix the ACTUAL PROBLEM here is the very THING that will NOT even consider that it IS the PROBLEM.

And, which most adults ALREADY KNOW, to fix the PROBLEM, the PROBLEM has to be ADMITTED FIRST.

Therefore, if YOU do NOT 'abuse children', then there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to fix here. So, let us move on to ERADICATING ALL men from the 'world' and let us SEE just how that pans out.

This thread is about making humanity BETTER. I KNOW of a way in which a Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious world could come about. And, this way is ACTUALLY workable, and can be PROVEN to work. However, learning how to communicate this in a way so that it is Truly and FULLY understood, has felt IMPOSSIBLE. And the EXACT reason WHY it feels IMPOSSIBLE is being EXEMPLIFIED by YOUR WORDS here now.

You started your post here by stating, "Get serious ...". I will suggest, ONCE MORE, ONLY until you SERIOUSLY Want to change for the better, then you can. Until then you will remain the SAME.
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Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am Civilization was 90%+ built by males. Without males I think there would be no countries, little to no wars, lot more equality.
Without males there would be NO more species, homo sapiens, nor human beings.

AND, civilization was built by males AND females, EQUALLY.
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am I think the problem is that women can't really cooperate with each other though, especially not on large scales, there would also be a lot of anarchy due to lack of stable leadership and stable hierarchies. Also, female geniuses are rare. Humanity as a whole would stagnate at best, global structures would maybe collapse, there would be little overall development.
This is getting beyond ridiculous now. "female geniuses are rare", and for the rest, this is just how BLINDSIDED some human beings are because of, so called, "genders".

Also, has it been considered that it is BECAUSE OF, so called, "geniuses", that human beings are in the downhill spiral that they are in now, when this is being written? That is; a, so called, "genius" only thinks up some new thing, which is NOT REALLY that a "genius" thing in and of itself, and then unleashes 'it' on and into the 'world' where the rest of the just human beings are NOT YET READY for 'it'?

Besides all of the other ridiculous and obviously 'judgmental' things being stated in this thread you people are actually talking like a 'world without men' is even a POSSIBILITY. This thread was started with some ASSUMPTION that it was ACTUALLY POSSIBLE, but quickly DETRACTED away from the FACT that it has NOT YET BEEN EXPLAINED how it could even be possible, and it then proceeded based on FAULTY 'logic' that just because SOME of one gender do WRONG, then IF we get RID OFF ALL of this gender, then things would work PERFECTLY.

This is MORE LAUGHABLE and ABSURD the FURTHER this is LOOKED AT and DELVED INTO.
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evolution wrote: January 1st, 2021, 3:39 am
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am Civilization was 90%+ built by males. Without males I think there would be no countries, little to no wars, lot more equality.
Without males there would be NO more species, homo sapiens, nor human beings.

AND, civilization was built by males AND females, EQUALLY.
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am I think the problem is that women can't really cooperate with each other though, especially not on large scales, there would also be a lot of anarchy due to lack of stable leadership and stable hierarchies. Also, female geniuses are rare. Humanity as a whole would stagnate at best, global structures would maybe collapse, there would be little overall development.
This is getting beyond ridiculous now. "female geniuses are rare", and for the rest, this is just how BLINDSIDED some human beings are because of, so called, "genders".

Also, has it been considered that it is BECAUSE OF, so called, "geniuses", that human beings are in the downhill spiral that they are in now, when this is being written? That is; a, so called, "genius" only thinks up some new thing, which is NOT REALLY that a "genius" thing in and of itself, and then unleashes 'it' on and into the 'world' where the rest of the just human beings are NOT YET READY for 'it'?

Besides all of the other ridiculous and obviously 'judgmental' things being stated in this thread you people are actually talking like a 'world without men' is even a POSSIBILITY. This thread was started with some ASSUMPTION that it was ACTUALLY POSSIBLE, but quickly DETRACTED away from the FACT that it has NOT YET BEEN EXPLAINED how it could even be possible, and it then proceeded based on FAULTY 'logic' that just because SOME of one gender do WRONG, then IF we get RID OFF ALL of this gender, then things would work PERFECTLY.

This is MORE LAUGHABLE and ABSURD the FURTHER this is LOOKED AT and DELVED INTO.
Let me guess, you got these absolutely TRUE, RIGHT, CORRECT insights by being open and listening to the whispers of the universe? :)
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NukeBan wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:08 am
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 amCivilization was 90%+ built by males.
WAS is the key word there. Today women are out performing men in higher education and so will increasingly dominate the leadership roles.

Generally speaking, women are smarter than men for the simple reason that they've long had to be to defend themselves against our physical superiority.
Just because a human body carries around with the female sex organs then that does NOT make the brains within that body, so called, "smarter" to the, so called, "other". And, the same applies that just because a human body has male sex organs on it then that makes that one, so called, "superior" to the, so called, "other".
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am They are particularly better suited to the kinds of social cooperation tasks that a modern civilization requires.
How, EXACTLY?
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am One source of threat from men is that we are increasingly unnecessary.
On the EXACT SAME token women can be seen to be increasingly unnecessary AS WELL.
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am We don't need hunters and a strong man with a club to defend the cave anymore.
And we do NOT need gathers and a milking woman with breasts to feed the babies anymore.
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am And so we see phenomena like the Taliban, primitive men desperately trying to hang on to their relevance by any means necessary, the good ole manly man way.
And we ALSO SEE, VERY CLEARLY, prejudices AND hatred, from JUST ANOTHER human being who ACTUALLY BELIEVES that their CHOICE of things are the BEST and RIGHT ones.
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am Men have succeeded in creating suburbia, the perfect baby raising environment.
Did they do this SOLELY all by their OWN selves?
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am That done, now we bring nothing to the table that a women can't do just as well or better.
And what is 'it' EXACTLY that women can do but men can NOT do just as well or better?
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am Consider a typical suburban man, thirty pounds over weight, waddling down the driveway in his bathrobe and slippers to get the paper, with one of those pathetic little yappy dogs on a leash. Once he's read the paper he'll spend the rest of the day stretched out on the couch watching other men play sports, because he's too tired from spending the week being a paper shuffling drone slave in the corporate gulag to do much of anything else. TIP: If your job requires you to worry about spilling coffee on your shirt, you're doing women's work.
So, you STILL live in a 'world' of, so called, "women's work". Do you also have a view on what is "men's work" too?
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am And so the suburban man will go on the Internet and type BOLD STATEMENTS!!! from the comfy cozy safety of his suburban dining room in an attempt to create the illusion of manliness, without getting sweaty.
And WHERE does this PRESUMPTION of "manliness" come from EXACTLY?
Atla wrote: December 31st, 2020, 8:04 am He'll safely bellow, sometimes in ALL CAPS, "HEY, look at me, I'm still a man!" Women will roll their eyes, and patiently pat us on the head, like the children we've become.

A world without men? Less will be lost than we may assume.
So, what will change, SUPPOSEDLY, in YOUR 'world without men' is there will NOT be as many letters written in caps, correct?
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NukeBan wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:15 am
Terrapin Station wrote: December 31st, 2020, 9:43 amThe other philosophy forum has a couple antinatalist obsessives, we might as well have our own counterpart.
The other philosophy forum couldn't handle this conversation. Most members were doing quite well and seemed to enjoy the challenge, but then a couple people started going hysterical yelling "GENOCIDE, GENOCIDE, GENOCIDE!!!" even though nobody had said anything about killing anybody.
You OBVIOUSLY NEVER said ANYTHING about 'genocide' BECAUSE you NEVER thought about. Just like you did NOT give this whole idea and proposal of YOURS much thought. But HOW ELSE do you ERADICATE a whole gender of human beings WITHOUT GENOCIDE?
NukeBan wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:15 am I guess the mods couldn't take the heat as they simply deleted the entire thread, erasing a week's work with a single button click.

This thread isn't going to win any awards, but it is still alive, so you're winning. :-)
Who is 'winning'?

Were you talking to you here?
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NukeBan wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:29 am
Papus79 wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:11 amBut!.... antinatalism is a completely different argument!
Thank you.
Papus79 wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:11 amHere we're asked the question 'should we take some vigorous action on our own species to survive the technological advances of the next century?'.
Thank you again, nice to know someone is listening. A tidy concise summary.
'Should we sic CRISPR-CAS9 on our more violent, erotic, and competitive genes so that humanity becomes less violent as a whole and can survive the next few centuries - paying the price for whatever damage we do to ourselves with CRISPR with the understanding that this is a genetic modification needed at the very latest YESTERDAY for us to survive?'
This is an interesting avenue to explore. To quibble a bit with the wording, it's not "our" violent nature which requires editing. This isn't a human problem, but a male human problem, imho.
WHY, IN YOUR, so called, "humble" OPINION, do you think 'violence' is ONLY a 'male' human problem?

Is it NOT POSSIBLE that some men have become 'violent' because of their mothers?

Is it NOT POSSIBLE that some women have become and are violent?

Is it NOT POSSIBLE that in some circumstances and in some homes the woman is far more violent than the man is?
NukeBan wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:29 am Your CRISPR idea is sort of way to get rid of men, without actually getting rid of them. That is, the "men competing with men to weed out the weak genes" part of us would be surgically removed, leaving a shell behind. From the long arc of history perspective, if men aren't needed to provide food, provide DNA, defend the cave, or compete with other men.... Are we still men? Women with penises? A new gender?
LOL What do you think a 'woman' and a 'man' ACTUALLY IS?
NukeBan wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:29 am All that said, the goal of my proposal is to bring an end to violence.
Well STOP with the IDIOTIC CLAIMS and START LOOKING AT thee ACTUAL Truth of things.

LOOK AT WHY can and do human beings grow up to be violent towards EACH OTHER?

LOOKING AT this as though there is some "gender" cause or problem here just SHOWS your PREEXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.

Also, I have STARTED to SHOW what WILL ACTUALLY bring and ACTUALLY be thee end to ALL violence committed by 'you', adult human beings.
NukeBan wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:29 am If that can be achieved by some method other than a single gender species, that works for me.
REALLY?

So do you REALLY want to LOOK INTO WHY 'you', adult human beings, ABUSE YOUR young?

Because you ONCE you DO, then thee ACTUAL METHOD to creating 'world' PEACE can be FOUND, SEEN, and UNDERSTOOD.
NukeBan wrote: December 31st, 2020, 10:29 am My knowledge of DNA editing is pretty limited so feel free to educate us where you can.
DNA editing does NOT, and I will repeat DOES NOT, affect human being thinking in a way that would reduce violence at all.

The SOLE reason WHY 'you', adult human beings, have GROWN UP to be VIOLENT is BECAUSE 'you' were ABUSED as children.

Violence is LEARNED through WRONG NURTURING, which is CHILD ABUSE (in childhood).
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impermanence wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 pm




Evo, in case you didn't get the memo, we are part of Nature.
Who and/or what is the 'we' here.

And in case you are UNAWARE absolutely EVERY thing is a part of Nature, which, contrary to popular BELIEF, in the days of when this is being written, this INCLUDES absolutely EVERY thing 'you', human beings, do, cause, and create.
impermanence wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 pm If you believe that we are born equal, then you are not paying attention at all.
I NEITHER believe NOR disbelieve this. Therefore, the rest of what you wrote is moot.
impermanence wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 pm Not only are we NOT equal, there is no such thing as equal [or anything close to equal].
But I NEVER said, "we are equal".
impermanence wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 pm Equal is that concept that humans made-up.
And that word and that concept is just like EVERY other word and concept, as they are ALL made up by human beings.
impermanence wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 pm When it is applied politically, it seems to become particularly toxic.
ANY thing 'politically' is the LAST thing one wants to LOOK AT when SEEING how to make 'humanity', itself, BETTER.




impermanence wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 pm In the United States, there were massive changes that took place in the that era [politically, economically, and socially].
LOOKING AT that parcel of land only is even MORE short sighted and narrowed a view.




impermanence wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 pm Since there are literally hundreds of societies and cultures in the world, it probably makes sense to narrow the conversation somewhat, don't you think?
Narrowing this conversation down to the MOST BASIC and MOST SIMPLISTIC FORM is a good idea. But I suggest narrowing it down to the most common factor with ALL human beings, EQUALLY, and NOT to just one culture or society.
impermanence wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 pm Once you have your own kids, you'll understand [or maybe not].
Okay, if you say so.
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LuckyR wrote: December 31st, 2020, 5:04 pm
evolution wrote: December 31st, 2020, 2:57 am

LOL "actual" 'child abuse'.

See, here is A PRIME EXAMPLE of what adult human beings PRESUME 'abuse' means and what they USE to 'try to' "EXCUSE" their abusive behaviors on children.

Are you even remotely AWARE that 'abuse' comes in ALL different sorts of degrees or levels?

Abuse happens on a continuum between LOVED and WANTED to HATED and DETESTED.

'Abuse' is abuse. There is NO 'actual child abuse' and some other form of child abuse. If an adult is abusing a child, then there is NO escaping from that. Especially with CLAIMS or REMARKS like; But what I did was not 'actual' child abuse.



And, nothing STOPS and PREVENTS adult human beings MORE from CHANGING their ways and WRONG BEHAVIORS than to say, think, or believe "What I do is NOT 'actual' abuse".

The ONLY thing that STOPS and PREVENTS adult human beings from CHANGING, for the better, MORE than 'trying to' "justify", "rationalize", "minimize", or just "excuse" their WRONG and ABUSIVE behaviors other than to just DENY that they do WRONG and ABUSE CHILDREN, completely.

What can be CLEARLY SEEN among adult human beings is that they are in COMPLETE DENIAL and do not even know that they are lying.



WHY ONLY the "savage" animal do you abuse? What about ALL of the other animals you abuse? Or, WHY are you only "truly savage" when abusing animals but not when you are abusing the other things here?

And, by the way, if you say you are abusing ALL of these things as well, then WHY do you do that?

Also, HOW and WHY just because you abuse children, then that somehow means that you abuse these other things? Where is the EXACT "correlation" here?



How EXACTLY are ALL of these groups, so called, "struggling"?

And, are you absolutely SURE that ALL of these groups are not 'feeling' as though society is looking after them?

If the answer here is "Yes", then will you provide some examples for each and every one of these groups?



BECAUSE each and EVERY one of you adult, abusing, human being have been, and were being, abused when you were just children, "yourselves".

The reason WHY ALL of 'you', adult human beings, ARE abusing children, in ALL the different ways that do, is VERY UNDERSTANDABLE, but NEVER ACCEPTABLE, NOR EVER EXCUSABLE.

Find, discover and learn that reason, and then you can START to change, for the BETTER, not just for children but, literally, for your OWN selves, as well.

But you can NOT start to change if you think or believe that you are NOT doing ANY wrong to begin with.

So, you HAVE TO FIRST admit the 'problem', the WRONG DOING, BEFORE you could change, and fix and solve the 'problem', and thus RESOLVE this WHOLE ISSUE here, COMPLETELY.
You throw around the word "adult" a lot. What is your age, BTW?
This is one clarifying question that I care NOT to answer, as the answer "should" have ABSOLUTELY NO bearing on the actual words, themselves.
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Re: Would Humanity Be Better Off Without Men?

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Atla wrote: January 1st, 2021, 3:46 am
evolution wrote: January 1st, 2021, 3:39 am

Without males there would be NO more species, homo sapiens, nor human beings.

AND, civilization was built by males AND females, EQUALLY.



This is getting beyond ridiculous now. "female geniuses are rare", and for the rest, this is just how BLINDSIDED some human beings are because of, so called, "genders".

Also, has it been considered that it is BECAUSE OF, so called, "geniuses", that human beings are in the downhill spiral that they are in now, when this is being written? That is; a, so called, "genius" only thinks up some new thing, which is NOT REALLY that a "genius" thing in and of itself, and then unleashes 'it' on and into the 'world' where the rest of the just human beings are NOT YET READY for 'it'?

Besides all of the other ridiculous and obviously 'judgmental' things being stated in this thread you people are actually talking like a 'world without men' is even a POSSIBILITY. This thread was started with some ASSUMPTION that it was ACTUALLY POSSIBLE, but quickly DETRACTED away from the FACT that it has NOT YET BEEN EXPLAINED how it could even be possible, and it then proceeded based on FAULTY 'logic' that just because SOME of one gender do WRONG, then IF we get RID OFF ALL of this gender, then things would work PERFECTLY.

This is MORE LAUGHABLE and ABSURD the FURTHER this is LOOKED AT and DELVED INTO.
Let me guess, you got these absolutely TRUE, RIGHT, CORRECT insights by being open and listening to the whispers of the universe? :)
Well besides the Universe, Itself, where do you get ALL of your information and insights from?

And, how much 'insight' do you ACTUALLY obtain by being as CLOSED as 'you' ARE?

By the way, if you find absolutely ANY thing I say NOT True, NOT Right, and/or NOT Correct, then please feel FREE to say WHAT, WHERE, WHEN, HOW, and WHY, EXACTLY. THEN, and ONLY THEN, we can LOOK AT your opposing views, AND THEN DISCUSS them.
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Re: Would Humanity Be Better Off Without Men?

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Terrapin Station wrote: December 31st, 2020, 6:48 pm How do we wind up with people who believe that large populations of people think and behave more or less the same as each other just because they're men or women (or black or white or French or English or any category like that)?
Turn on your TV. Watch the news. Who is doing the violence the overwhelming majority of the time?

I never said all men are violent. In fact, most are peaceful.

What I actually did say is that to my knowledge no society in history has figured out how to keep the peaceful men while getting rid of the violent men. So to stick with the status quo means keeping the violent men.

What I actually did say is that the knowledge explosion is going to hand the violent men ever more powerful tools at an ever faster pace.

What I actually did say is that there is a consistent pattern of all out fight to the death wars going back thousands of years, and there's no rational reason to think that pattern has magically ended.

So, to keep men is to keep violent men, who will pose an ever bigger threat to modern civilization. The status quo is a recipe for civilization collapse. No one can say exactly when or how, but we can pretty confidently assert that is where we're headed.

If these claims seems speculative, keep in mind that a near immediate civilization collapse at the hands of violent men has been technically possible for decades. All it takes to make these claims true is one human being pushing one button one time.
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