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EricPH wrote: April 11th, 2022, 5:48 am
NickGaspar wrote: April 10th, 2022, 7:43 am global floods
I can't imagine what it must be like for God to look down on his creation, and to see how we treat each other.

Genesis 6
The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

We are probably more evil towards each other today despite our claims of knowledge. Kindness is not rocket science.
He was our teacher and creator sir. Its like having a CEO of an auto company accusing their cars for poor performance.
Our master promoted slavery, genocides,human sacrifice, giving our daughters as sex presents for a night, promising damnation for finite crimes, thought crime,mass murderer (flood) etc etc.....so what did you expected sir!
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The story of Noah and God's covenant with Noah makes sense in the context of human nature. In the context of human nature there is good, represented by good and efficient Noah, which offsets man's propensity for evil.


Unfortunately Noah's Flood is more often interpreted as a sequence of events in time, rather than as an account of enduring human nature, and nothing to do with natural disasters.The natural disaster of the Flood is no more than stage decor.The story of Noah's Flood is about moral evil not natural disasters.

In the story of Noah's Flood one can't ignore the other protagonist, God. The character of God represents good as the ground upon which good-evil is based and thus evil is absence of good. The character God intervenes in Noah's Flood as a power to be reckoned with, the greatest power of all that underlies all existence, the power of good. In Christianity life is synonymous with good and death with evil. Thus the Xian and Judaic moral codes are aimed at the conservation of life.
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Belindi wrote: April 14th, 2022, 3:19 am The story of Noah and God's covenant with Noah makes sense in the context of human nature. In the context of human nature there is good, represented by good and efficient Noah, which offsets man's propensity for evil.

Unfortunately Noah's Flood is more often interpreted as a sequence of events in time, rather than as an account of enduring human nature, and nothing to do with natural disasters.The natural disaster of the Flood is no more than stage decor.The story of Noah's Flood is about moral evil not natural disasters.
That may have been the writer's intent, but few fundamentalist Christians would interpret it that way. It's like the creation passages in Genesis, "Let there be light" etc which is obviously a metaphorical attempt by a pre-scientific observer to describe the process of evolution, with "days" referring to aeons. We all know how millions of Christians interpret it, though.
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Sy Borg wrote: April 14th, 2022, 4:09 am
Belindi wrote: April 14th, 2022, 3:19 am The story of Noah and God's covenant with Noah makes sense in the context of human nature. In the context of human nature there is good, represented by good and efficient Noah, which offsets man's propensity for evil.

Unfortunately Noah's Flood is more often interpreted as a sequence of events in time, rather than as an account of enduring human nature, and nothing to do with natural disasters.The natural disaster of the Flood is no more than stage decor.The story of Noah's Flood is about moral evil not natural disasters.
That may have been the writer's intent, but few fundamentalist Christians would interpret it that way. It's like the creation passages in Genesis, "Let there be light" etc which is obviously a metaphorical attempt by a pre-scientific observer to describe the process of evolution, with "days" referring to aeons. We all know how millions of Christians interpret it, though.
The Bible is seldom taught as literature. Fundamentalist Xians think God intervened in history to write and edit The Bible. I don't understand why priests generally make such a poor job of teaching their flocks.
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Belindi wrote: April 14th, 2022, 5:39 am
Sy Borg wrote: April 14th, 2022, 4:09 am
Belindi wrote: April 14th, 2022, 3:19 am The story of Noah and God's covenant with Noah makes sense in the context of human nature. In the context of human nature there is good, represented by good and efficient Noah, which offsets man's propensity for evil.

Unfortunately Noah's Flood is more often interpreted as a sequence of events in time, rather than as an account of enduring human nature, and nothing to do with natural disasters.The natural disaster of the Flood is no more than stage decor.The story of Noah's Flood is about moral evil not natural disasters.
That may have been the writer's intent, but few fundamentalist Christians would interpret it that way. It's like the creation passages in Genesis, "Let there be light" etc which is obviously a metaphorical attempt by a pre-scientific observer to describe the process of evolution, with "days" referring to aeons. We all know how millions of Christians interpret it, though.
The Bible is seldom taught as literature. Fundamentalist Xians think God intervened in history to write and edit The Bible. I don't understand why priests generally make such a poor job of teaching their flocks.
It's the same reason why most evangelical ministers avoided speaking about COVID. They are always aiming to maximise bums on pews and they won't risk losing radicals. No matter how much their flock misinterprets the Bible, church leaders will not try to correct them.

In keeping with the corporatisation of churches, faith leaders are ever less inclined to guide or teach, but act as fundraisers and facilitators of gatherings. Their role is ever more resembling that of Judas goats rather than shepherds.

"Right now I want you to click on that button, and I want you to honor God with his first fruits offering"
- Paula White (encouraging donations to her ministries so as to receive special blessings from God)
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Sy Borg wrote: April 14th, 2022, 7:44 pm
Belindi wrote: April 14th, 2022, 5:39 am
Sy Borg wrote: April 14th, 2022, 4:09 am
Belindi wrote: April 14th, 2022, 3:19 am The story of Noah and God's covenant with Noah makes sense in the context of human nature. In the context of human nature there is good, represented by good and efficient Noah, which offsets man's propensity for evil.

Unfortunately Noah's Flood is more often interpreted as a sequence of events in time, rather than as an account of enduring human nature, and nothing to do with natural disasters.The natural disaster of the Flood is no more than stage decor.The story of Noah's Flood is about moral evil not natural disasters.
That may have been the writer's intent, but few fundamentalist Christians would interpret it that way. It's like the creation passages in Genesis, "Let there be light" etc which is obviously a metaphorical attempt by a pre-scientific observer to describe the process of evolution, with "days" referring to aeons. We all know how millions of Christians interpret it, though.
The Bible is seldom taught as literature. Fundamentalist Xians think God intervened in history to write and edit The Bible. I don't understand why priests generally make such a poor job of teaching their flocks.
It's the same reason why most evangelical ministers avoided speaking about COVID. They are always aiming to maximise bums on pews and they won't risk losing radicals. No matter how much their flock misinterprets the Bible, church leaders will not try to correct them.

In keeping with the corporatisation of churches, faith leaders are ever less inclined to guide or teach, but act as fundraisers and facilitators of gatherings. Their role is ever more resembling that of Judas goats rather than shepherds.

"Right now I want you to click on that button, and I want you to honor God with his first fruits offering"
- Paula White (encouraging donations to her ministries so as to receive special blessings from God)
I understand there are identifiable stages in historical development when the ruling elite employed professional priests whereas previously priests had been priest-kings. The priesthood became a separate force the ruler had to reckon with. Priest-kings occur in The Bible, in the Old Testament notably Melchisedech. Jesus was enthroned as priest-king by Christians and linked with the Jewish tradition of priest-kings.

Henry VIII got rid of the commercially powerful (largely the wool trade) monasteries in England in his bid to oust the traditional RC Church and take power to himself.There are conflicting interests in present day churches so that some of them like the Paula White one you mention are blatant money spinners, or power brokers as shown up by the RC white-washing scandal, while others such as Quakers and Unitarians are democratic and supportive of the common man and his needs and concerns. The history of the priesthood is a struggle of elitism versus pluralism. There is a saying that the Church of England is the Tory party at prayer!
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