So you're saying that the density of a collection of objects is unrelated to the average distance between the objects, yes?RJG wrote:The 60% refers to the saturation or "density" of immune people within the herd. "Distance" between people, is absolutely irrelevant when calculating the "density" of immune people within a given population (herd).
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RJG wrote:The 60% refers to the saturation or "density" of immune people within the herd. "Distance" between people, is absolutely irrelevant when calculating the "density" of immune people within a given population (herd).
Yes, correct. The "distance" between any of the 10 marbles within a box (a given environment), has absolutely no bearing/effect whatsoever on the 60% "density" of the 6 blue marbles (immune people) within the box of 10 total marbles (within the herd).Steve3007 wrote:So you're saying that the density of a collection of objects is unrelated to the average distance between the objects, yes?
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So in a box containing a million objects, in your view, the average distance between the objects is the same as in box of the same size containing 2 objects, yes?RJG wrote:Yes, correct.
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The "average distance" between the objects has absolutely nothing to do with the "density" of blue marbles to the total. Distance is totally irrelevant to "density" within a given environment.Steve3007 wrote:So in a box containing a million objects, in your view, the average distance between the objects is the same as in box of the same size containing 2 objects, yes?
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We're not talking about the distance between any of the 10 marbles and you know that. We're talking about the distance between vulnerable people. You should have gone away for longer to find a better get-out. Or better yet, can't you ever just admit to being wrong about something?RJG wrote:The "distance" between any of the 10 marbles within a box (a given environment), has absolutely no bearing/effect whatsoever on the 60% "density" of 6 blue marbles to the 10 total marbles.
If 4 of the marbles in that box are red, what is the average distance between red marbles compared to the situation when 10 are red. Is it:
(a) Larger
(b) The same
(c) Smaller
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RJG wrote:The "distance" between any of the 10 marbles within a box (a given environment), has absolutely no bearing/effect whatsoever on the 60% "density" of 6 blue marbles to the 10 total marbles.
It doesn't matter if we are talking about marbles or people. The point is that "distance" between vulnerable people has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the "density" of immune people to the total population.Steve3007 wrote:We're not talking about the distance between any of the 10 marbles and you know that. We're talking about the distance between vulnerable people. You should have gone away for longer to find a better get-out. Or better yet, can't you ever just admit to being wrong about something?
Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
The more red marbles in this box means that the average distance between red marbles is closer. So what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?Steve3007 wrote:If 4 of the marbles in that box are red, what is the average distance between red marbles compared to the situation when 10 are red. Is it:
(a) Larger
(b) The same
(c) Smaller
So what does the "distance" between the 4 red marbles (or 10 red marbles) have anything to do with the density of red (or blue) marbles to the total number of marbles? ...a smaller/closer "distance" does NOT change/effect the "density"!
I think this question applies more to you, and your refusal to admit that "distance" is irrelevant to "density" within a given environment.Steve3007 wrote:...can't you ever just admit to being wrong about something?
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Because it's self-evidently not true. You know that really, don't you?RJG wrote:The point is that "distance" between vulnerable people has absolutely no bearing on the "density" of immune people to the total population.
Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
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RJG wrote:The point is that "distance" between vulnerable people has absolutely no bearing on the "density" of immune people to the total population. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
Seriously?Steve3007 wrote:Because it's self-evidently not true. You know that really, don't you?
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Your answer:Steve3007 wrote:If 4 of the marbles in that box are red, what is the average distance between red marbles compared to the situation when 10 are red. Is it:
(a) Larger
(b) The same
(c) Smaller
If 4 of the people in that box are vulnerable, what is the average distance between vulnerable people compared to the situation when 10 are vulnerable. Is it:RJG wrote:The more red marbles in this box means that the average distance between red marbles is closer.
(a) Larger
(b) The same
(c) Smaller
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1. If you pile all 10 marbles (6 blue and 4 red) into the corner of the box (so they touch [zero distance between] each other), then what is the density of blue marbles to the total? Answer = 60%
2. If you spread out all the marbles as much as possible within this box, then what is the density of blue marbles to the total? Answer = 60%
Therefore, "distance" has absolutely no effect on "density" within a given environment.
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What does this have to do with density?Steve3007 wrote:If 4 of the people in that box are vulnerable, what is the average distance between vulnerable people compared to the situation when 10 are vulnerable.
Steve, try it yourself,
1. If you pile all 10 marbles (6 blue and 4 red) into the corner of the box (so they touch [zero distance between] each other), then what is the density of blue marbles to the total? Answer = 60%
2. If you spread out all the marbles as much as possible within this box (thereby increasing the distance), then what is the density of blue marbles to the total? Answer = 60%
Therefore, "distance" has absolutely no effect on "density" within a given environment.
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Bottom-line: Herd immunity is a function of density (not distance!), based on the percentage of immune people to total number of people within a given environment (herd), as is expressed by the equation T = 1-1/R0.
"Distance" is totally irrelevant to the protective effects of herd immunity.
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