The Dangerous Irrationality of Masking our Vaccinated People

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RJG wrote:If we don't come to our senses before this next big wave, and if we again irrationally and naively respond with more social isolation (masking; social distancing; lockdowns) of our 'healthy' people, then the party is over, ...I see no way to turn back from the inevitable outcome.
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Bottom-line: logically, and contrary to the bad science, the more we mask/social distance our 'healthy' population, the faster and deeper in the hole we get. We can only go so deep before we can't ever get back out.
Steve3007 wrote:As I've said before, call me cynical but I strongly suspect that there are no circumstances under which you will concede to having been wrong on this.
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I think the hole metaphor, regardless of how long the digging continues, will end with: "Phew! They stopped digging just before the hole got too deep to get out of it!". The depth at which the hole, in your view, becomes too deep to get out of it will in all circumstances be just a little bit deeper than the point at which the digging stopped, regardless of when that turns out to be.

Just a cynical theory! Let's see! :D
LOL. Steve, if you want me to predict the exact "point-of-no-return" date, then that is a tough one. My crystal ball is a bit too fuzzy for that. But if we want to use March 1, 2022 (as per our wager date) as the date, then I'm willing to commit to that. In other words, if we don't come to our senses and reverse course by then, then we can kiss all our behinds good-bye. And my crystal ball further says that if this is the case, then all our human behinds will become extinct on this planet within 10 years.
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Steve3007 wrote: April 7th, 2021, 6:38 amDue to a combination of social distancing/lockdown, mask-wearing and the vaccine rollout, the UK death rate is now back down to pretty much where it was last summer:
Due to colds (coronavirus) not surviving in warmer weather, could it be as been happening for centuries - “cold season” subsides with the earth’s orbit around the sun...

...unless you believe the earth is flat. :D

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Who woulda imagined colds go away in summer??

Study suggests high vitamin D levels may protect against COVID-19
https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefr ... ovid-study
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Sculptor1 wrote: April 7th, 2021, 6:50 amI think the big test will be when the Summer ends, and the vaccinations are more or less complete. Last year it was the end of September when cases started to rise again, with deaths rising four weeks later...
I worry about my parents & others who have taken the poisonous vaccines.

Deaths/illness from “covid vaccines”:

• Norwegian officials were the first to report people dying after being inoculated, saying in mid-January that 33 people age 75 and older had died a short time after receiving the Covid vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

Norway confirm 29 dead from Pfizer vaccine…and Pfizer say this is Normal!
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/01/17/no ... -normal/jp

• The U.K.’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency reported that, up through Feb. 14, there were 197 deaths shortly after injections with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, 205 from the AstraZeneca Plc shot and four where the brand was unspecified.

• And in the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that as of Feb. 7, there were 1,170 reported deaths among people who received either the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine or another from Moderna Inc.

Nick Horsky FROM THE CDC; 3,150 people vaccinated in ONE DAY are "unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work" after vaccination.

This is a massive 2.7% of people who can no longer work after having the Pfizer vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meeti ... -CLARK.pdf

Hundreds of Israelis get infected with Covid-19 after receiving Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.
https://www.rt.com/news/511332-israel-v ... us-pfizer/

Thousands negatively affected after getting Covid-19 vaccine.
https://m.theepochtimes.com/thousands-n ... 25914.html

• In Germany... death of seven elderly people shortly after receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

10 dead in Germany within 4 days of Covid-19 vaccine inoculation; probe ordered
https://m.republicworld.com/world-news/ ... dered.html

4 volunteers develop FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid-19 jab, prompting FDA to recommend ‘surveillance for cases’.
https://www.rt.com/usa/509081-pfizer-va ... lsy-covid/

Hundreds Sent to Emergency Room After Getting COVID-19 Vaccines
https://m.theepochtimes.com/hundreds-se ... 44148.html

U.S. officials report more severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN29B2GS

NHS told not to give Covid vaccine to those with history of allergic reactions.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... s-reaction

COVID-19: Single vaccine dose leads to 'greater risk' from new coronavirus variants, South African experts warn
news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-single-vaccine-dose-leads-to-greater-risk-from-new-coronavirus-variants-south-african-experts-warn-12180837

CDC reveals at least 21 Americans have suffered life threatening allergic reactions to Pfizer's COVID vaccine
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9119 ... veals.html

COVID Vaccine Side Effects More Common After 2nd Dose.
www.boston.cbslocal.com/2021/01/05/covi ... ction/amp/

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“No large trials of any mRNA vaccine have been completed yet. The only evidence on safety of mRNA vaccines comes from small phase I and phase II trials of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, with follow-up typically less than two months.”
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRN ... 0final.pdf

SARS vaccine linked to liver damage in ferret study
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... rret-study

Dr. Lee Merritt: In Animal Studies, After Being Injected With mRNA Technology, All Animals Died Upon Reinfection... but they didn’t die of the “vaccine”. What they died from what used to be called “immune enhancement” and now they call it “antibody dependent enhancement” (ADE). Dr. Lee Merritt explains that mRNA technology is not a vaccine, mirroring what Dr. David Martin also stated recently.
https://truth11.com/2021/01/29/dr-lee-m ... infection/

Video of Dr. Merritt explaining animal studies concerns:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Vid ... fter-being

Dr. Lee Merritt:
“Vaccine makers have designed a piece of the virus’s mRNA to replicate in every cell of your body: the spike protein. That spike protein is actually creating the pathogen in your body. They first tested these types of vaccines on animals, specifically ferrets and cats. They started with other deadly coronaviruses: for SARS, they used cats, and for MERS, they used ferrets. What happened is all the animals died, but they didn’t die of the vaccine, what they died of was called immune enhancement or antibody induced enhancement or antibody dependent enhancement. When they gave cats the SARS mRNA vaccine, instead of killing the virus or weakening it, it encoded the virus on the cat’s DNA. So the virus came into the cat’s body like a Trojan horse unseen by the cat’s own immune system and then it replicated and killed the cat with overwhelming sepsis and cardiac failure. And that happened in the ferrets, that happened every time they’ve tried this, and we have never made it through an animal study successfully for this type of virus. We have never done this in humans before.”

“Messenger RNA technology has yet to produce an approved medicine, let alone a vaccine.”
Bourla, Pfizer ceo wasn’t confident in vaccine - sold out as it 1st became popular/sold to US gov’t. Pfizer Partnered w German BioNTech, who signed agreement w Gates co 9/2019. (This article inaccurately said no animal trials.). 2018 Gates CFR article gene editing CRISPR.
Dr. Quijano warned vaccine may enhance pathogenicity of virus, due to antibody- dependent enhancement (ADE), as happened to animals in trials. Despite 3/15 of human experiment volunteers having serious reactions, Moderna passed it off as safe. Clotting risks. Apx 600 Filipino children died before vaccine stopped.
https://m.journal-neo.org/2020/11/13/wh ... s-vaccine/


“Dr. James Lyons-Weiler, a Senior Research Scientist at the University of Pittsburgh, writes in a science paper on previous efforts to develop coronavirus vaccines:
 
“In SARS, a type of “priming” of the immune system was observed during animal studies of SARS spike protein-based vaccines leading to increased morbidity and mortality in vaccinated animals who were subsequently exposed to wild SARS virus. The problem, highlighted in two studies, became obvious following post-vaccination challenge with the SARS virus…”
As explained by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., founder of Children’s Health Defense:
 
“Scientists first attempted to develop coronavirus vaccines after China’s 2002 SARS-CoV outbreak. Teams of US & foreign scientists vaccinated animals with the four most promising vaccines. At first, the experiment seemed successful as all the animals developed a robust antibody response to coronavirus. However, when the scientists exposed the vaccinated animals to the wild virus, the results were horrifying. Vaccinated animals suffered hyper-immune responses including inflammation throughout their bodies, especially in their lungs. Researchers had seen this same “enhanced immune response” during human testing of the failed RSV vaccine tests in the 1960s. Two children died.”
 
An audit of death certificates shows that COVID death numbers are being inflated, possibly to induce people to take the vaccines.  
In an audit of nearly 3,000 death certificates, a team in Minnesota led by a medical doctor found that 40% of deaths being labeled as COVID were not COVID, but from other primary causes as diverse as flu, heart attacks, car accidents, a drowning, and gunshot wounds. (See: “Death Certificate Audit Shows COVID Deaths Inflated by Possible 40%, Calls for National Audit.“)

Oh & 1 more thing to add insult to injury:
You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-v ... WAXYqCn5Is
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Yeah, I heard of a guy who dropped dead after eating an ice cream cone. I'll not make that mistake!
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Newme wrote: May 13th, 2021, 6:29 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: April 7th, 2021, 6:50 amI think the big test will be when the Summer ends, and the vaccinations are more or less complete. Last year it was the end of September when cases started to rise again, with deaths rising four weeks later...
I worry about my parents & others who have taken the poisonous vaccines.
Then you are not only paranoid, but are stupid too.
I happily had my second jab yesterday.
I quite expect that new variants from India (and maybe elsewhere too) will mean I will have to take another vaccine soon. I also welcome that too.
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LuckyR wrote: May 14th, 2021, 3:06 am Yeah, I heard of a guy who dropped dead after eating an ice cream cone. I'll not make that mistake!

My grandmother used to watch Coronation Street everyday, and now she is dead. I'll never watch that programme, ever again.
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Newme wrote: May 13th, 2021, 6:29 pm
 
An audit of death certificates shows that COVID death numbers are being inflated, possibly to induce people to take the vaccines.  
In an audit of nearly 3,000 death certificates, a team in Minnesota led by a medical doctor found that 40% of deaths being labeled as COVID were not COVID, but from other primary causes as diverse as flu, heart attacks, car accidents, a drowning, and gunshot wounds. (See: “Death Certificate Audit Shows COVID Deaths Inflated by Possible 40%, Calls for National Audit.“)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... inflated1/
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