The Family Factory System.

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The Family Factory System.

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The family factory system is a child's next experience after the womb. I imagine the experience even there varies from one mother to the next and influences the constitution which is to be brought into the world. A constitution with a context awaiting its arrival. Will it be a rich soil this seed of humanity finds to be its processing context, that which is to define it, to nurture it or to betray it in its cradle. It knows not, it is the luck of the draw. It has always been the luck of the draw, even for those awaiting the arrival of this little one. What if those awaiting this little bundle are broken and defeated people. Some would say that only the healthy well adapted should have the right to save guard this innocents born. Others would argue that the poorest the most wretched have a right to this blessed experience, quality and qualifications are not even to be considered, it a basic human right, and its a basic human right to rise that innocence that way you see fit, as long as its physical health is not threatened. The family enclosure is safe guarded, what goes on behind closed doors is family business. Is there no better way, putting the child first and not the rights of the totally perhaps unqualifed, you have to know there are some horrendous situtations out there. Your Thoughts?
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popeye1945 wrote: May 19th, 2021, 1:35 pm The family factory system is a child's next experience after the womb. I imagine the experience even there varies from one mother to the next and influences the constitution which is to be brought into the world. A constitution with a context awaiting its arrival. Will it be a rich soil this seed of humanity finds to be its processing context, that which is to define it, to nurture it or to betray it in its cradle. It knows not, it is the luck of the draw. It has always been the luck of the draw, even for those awaiting the arrival of this little one. What if those awaiting this little bundle are broken and defeated people. Some would say that only the healthy well adapted should have the right to save guard this innocents born. Others would argue that the poorest the most wretched have a right to this blessed experience, quality and qualifications are not even to be considered, it a basic human right, and its a basic human right to rise that innocence that way you see fit, as long as its physical health is not threatened. The family enclosure is safe guarded, what goes on behind closed doors is family business. Is there no better way, putting the child first and not the rights of the totally perhaps unqualifed, you have to know there are some horrendous situtations out there. Your Thoughts?
There is no family factory system.
And your caricature of what a family is, or what it represents of narrowly defined and seemingly rather personal. Far too personal to make grandiloquent statements about it.
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https://discover.hubpages.com/education ... mily-Roles

I don't think the term family factory system is at all off the mark, the idea of parenting is supposed to be to create a self reliant adult one that has the skills and knowledge to make it in the world. Some households do this in great style others not at all and yet others do a mediocre job. No apologies for the use of the term.
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No one's heard of Virginia Satir, outside Wisconnsin, and her model is nothing like yours except in name.
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Satir’s focus on the roles adopted by members of a family system seems irrelevant to the analogy being proposed here. Nonetheless the comparison is appropriate in some aspects while not in others.

In similar fashion, both families and factories receive raw material and create a product. Both have some sort of rules, e.g., concerning how to behave within a family or concerning in what order various processes are performed in a factory.

However, the similarities may end there. Families are dynamic and subject to changing interactions. Factories do not easily change their routine. Families deal with emotions. Factories do not.

On the whole, the analogy is weakly valid. How it’s used is what’s important.
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Hi AverageBozo,
A factory system tends to be appropriate to the task at hand, if it does not put out a reasonable product it loses money and ceases to be a functioning system. There is no such necessity pressing upon the family, if one wish to raise pigs for a profit one learns about pigs, one needs no qualifications to bring innocence into the world. In the factory, if their smart they have a department of quality control, the family has no quality control. It is a freelance opportunity with no experience necessary.
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popeye1945 wrote: May 19th, 2021, 1:35 pm Is there no better way, putting the child first and not the rights of the totally perhaps unqualified...
I have always disagreed with putting the children first. Why should we? Put the old first? Why? In my view, the only fair, reasonable and rational way to look at it is that all of us have equal priority. No-one is more important or significant than anyone else. How can we justify anything else?
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Hi Pattern chaser.
It does seem to be the function of life, sex and death are linked, one's biological function is to renew that life force which is you and was your great great great great grandfather. Children are first because they are pure innocence that you have seen fit to bring into this world and would not survive without that being a priority of the mature organism. Others are not to be treated without consideration without compassion, the old to need support to continue in life, but generally, old age is a death sentence in nature, easy prey as any weakened organism is. Then in the human community there is the role reversal where the young are strong for the not so strong and life goes on.
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Easy to find issues in this realm, more difficult to find solutions. The overall issue is one of ownership or not. Does the parent own the child or is the child an equal and independent person with complete rights and privileges equal to the parent?

One example is in the use of force as a teaching tool. Spanking. Some will say it damages forever, others will tell that it creates stronger character. Arguments on both sides are verbose and complete. But who shall make the choice for each child, the individual or the collective? Shall the truth of another that is equally false as my truth be imposed on my children against my will because they think it best?

In an extreme case where a child is being repeatedly and brutally abused physically and mentally, we all might agree that the collective shall step in and save the child. In a mild case when the father lightly spanks the child so that they can remember the telling a lie is bad, shall we also protect that child. And if not, what is the action that is too much that does deserve interference.

In some ways this is an extension of abortion debates, it has to do with the rights of a child that is not able to defend itself. The current rulings on abortion allow it. In precedent with that, parents would be able to manage their children in any way they like until the point that the child is no longer the property of the parent. Age 18 in some locations is that time.
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Hi Mystery,
Excellent, one is not likely to find solutions without dialogue. You have made an excellent contribution. I didn't say it was an easy problem, just that it is a problem. Turning one's head away does nothing for children in the various levels of destress in unfortunate family situations.
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popeye1945 wrote: May 20th, 2021, 4:49 pm Children are first because they are pure innocence that you have seen fit to bring into this world and would not survive without that being a priority of the mature organism.
Not all of us have the same needs, I recognise that. But we all should have the same priority to have our needs satisfied. You, whoever you are, and at whatever stage of life, should have the same priority as me, although your needs are likely quite different to mine.
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Hi Patter chaser,
Yes, ok I get it and quite agree. At any point in one's life when one is weak and vulnerable one should be cared for by those who are strong in the present. There comes a time when the strong are nolonger strong and should evoke our humanity.
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There is little doubt that the family should take responsibility for the production of productive, happy law-abiding citizens, only on a biological level is there some reason to believe this responsibly is limited. The birth of the deranged, the psychopath is obviously a misfortune to both the child and the parents. In the absence of free will, this responsibility needs to be re-examined, just perhaps we are doing it wrong and it is a good deal more the responsibility of the community, indeed the more natural way to raise good citizens is by the society in which they are to function as such.
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It is true that only a fraction of actual parents are skilled and/or good at it. Thus the world would be a better place if those unsuited and/or unmotivated to be parents just didn't have children. But this is not a mandate, just a reality.
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LuckyR,
Agreed, but the sacredness of the family is powerful idea. When the environment of the family is an unhealthy one the child is doomed, betrayed in the cradle so to speak. Many families fail to realize that their function is to prepare the child to meet the world with adequate knowledge and training so the child is not lost in the wilderness.
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