RJG wrote:The nonsense is in claiming to "consciously control" our body. Our body reacts on its own as it has been conditioned to do so. Our consciousness of our bodily actions cannot logically control our bodily actions.
If you are referring to "consciously deciding" then this is just an indoctrinated belief, that defies simple logic. You can't logically "consciously decide" anything. You can't do the impossible. -- If you did not choose the thoughts that you do the choosing with, then you chose nothing!Terrapin Station wrote:You can decide to move your arm, and then move your arm.
Again, if you did not "intend your intention" then you did not "consciously cause" your intention that then caused the moving of your arm. -- Our thoughts/feelings/urges/desires are in effect 'given' to us. We don't know these thoughts/feelings/urges/desires until 'after' they pop into our consciousness, not 'before'.Terrapin Station wrote:You're not just moving your arm out being conditioned to do so, where your intention to move your arm has nothing to do with it.
You can only consciously experience intention, not conscious cause it. And if you didn't cause your intention then you didn't cause what your intention caused!
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Yes, we all can experience "intentions" (and other urges/desires/wants), but we cannot "intend (cause) our intentions".Terrapin Station wrote:One, I'm saying that you can have an intention to move your arm. Do you agree with that?
“Although man can do as he wants, he cannot want what he wants” --- Arthur Schopenhauer