The Eagle and the Chicken

[Nick_A]

There’s an old, well known story of a chicken farmer who found an eagle’s egg.

He put it with his chickens and soon the egg hatched.

The young eagle grew up with all the other chickens and whatever they did, the eagle did too. He thought he was a chicken, just like them.

Since the chickens could only fly for a short distance, the eagle also learnt to fly a short distance.

He thought that was what he was supposed to do. So that was all that he thought he could do. As a consequence, that was all he was able to do.

One day the eagle saw a bird flying high above him. He was very impressed. “Who is that?” he asked the hens around him.

“That’s the eagle, the king of the birds,” the hens told him. “He belongs to the sky. We belong to the earth, we are just chickens.”

So the eagle lived and died as a chicken, for that’s what he thought he was.

How many of the young have been stunted by society through metaphysical repression to believe they are like chickens attached to the earth and incapable of a higher universal perspective?

[mystery]

It happens all the time. I see young and old men alike looking down as they walk.

In the story, can the chickens not see that it is an eagle they speak with, and they do not tell. Crab mentality, never ever build up or help another for fear that they will surpass ourselves.

Physically there is not much difference between a homeless man and the king.

A related problem would be to convince a chicken that it is an eagle. When it jumps from the cliff to fly over the valley it doesn't work out well. Talent is not learned, training, effort, and tenacity can maximize only the potential not exceed it. Usually, the potential is far above the current status.

[LuckyR]

It is true that 1% of rich kids are in the top 1% in talent in any given field (by definition). This is also true for disadvantaged kids. The difference is that just about all of the talented rich kids will see their talents nurtured. The talented poor kids are the eagle eggs in the story. Of course the other 99 eggs out of a hundred aren't in the top 1%, maybe some are robin eggs, but at least 50 are in fact chickens, who won't be harmed by being brought up in the chicken coop.

[mystery]

luckyR, that's right, I can see that point now. I see this far more in the less developed or more poor countries than in the wealthier western ones. In the west, we have a few policies and actions that help to mitigate this but still, some of it happens. In the east where I reside part-time many live on very meager amounts, this issue is gigantic. Poor kids have almost zero chance to elevate themself even if they have talent.

One of the wonderful things that have occurred in western culture is the ability to elevate social status. It is possible, albeit difficult still.

In my opinion, many of our world records for achievements would be better if all talent had the chance. but how to do it, should the father of the wealthy child also need to provide for the poor child of his neighbor. In some cases, the wealthy man works very hard while the poor one does not.

Who is responsible for the chickens?

I grew up in a coop, and fly all over the place. It can be done.

But somehow things can be better.

[Pattern-chaser]

How many of the young have been stunted by society through metaphysical repression...

Is there some aim you didn't achieve in the last topic(s) that also discussed this same subject?

[Sculptor1]

There’s an old, well known story of a chicken farmer who found an eagle’s egg.

He put it with his chickens and soon the egg hatched.

The young eagle grew up with all the other chickens and whatever they did, the eagle did too. He thought he was a chicken, just like them.

Since the chickens could only fly for a short distance, the eagle also learnt to fly a short distance.

He thought that was what he was supposed to do. So that was all that he thought he could do. As a consequence, that was all he was able to do.

One day the eagle saw a bird flying high above him. He was very impressed. “Who is that?” he asked the hens around him.

“That’s the eagle, the king of the birds,” the hens told him. “He belongs to the sky. We belong to the earth, we are just chickens.”

So the eagle lived and died as a chicken, for that’s what he thought he was.

How many of the young have been stunted by society through metaphysical repression to believe they are like chickens attached to the earth and incapable of a higher universal perspective?

Weapons in the toolkit of the abusers:
1) Monarchy
2) Aristocracy
3) Race
4) Religion
5) Other forms of social heirarchy too numberous to mention.
6) Inequality of opportunity more generally- differential access to a good school, health, housing ad infinitem.

By these means idiots rule whilst geniuses work in factories putting cherries on top of cakes.

How many?? Most people in some for ot another consider themselves able where they are not, and not when they are able.

[Sculptor1]

It is true that 1% of rich kids are in the top 1% in talent in any given field (by definition). This is also true for disadvantaged kids. The difference is that just about all of the talented rich kids will see their talents nurtured. The talented poor kids are the eagle eggs in the story. Of course the other 99 eggs out of a hundred aren't in the top 1%, maybe some are robin eggs, but at least 50 are in fact chickens, who won't be harmed by being brought up in the chicken coop.

I reject your back of fag packet numbers.
I also reject your one dimensional thinking.

[Nick_A]

How many of the young have been stunted by society through metaphysical repression...

Is there some aim you didn't achieve in the last topic(s) that also discussed this same subject?

Just looking for those in whom philosophy as the love of wisdom has not been sacrificed to the great collective. They may have contemplated what is meant by "“That’s the eagle, the king of the birds,” the hens told him. “He belongs to the sky. We belong to the earth, we are just chickens.” Instead of associating it with social status, I would appreciate reading their thoughts on what is meant by belonging to the sky as opposed to the earth.

[LuckyR]

It is true that 1% of rich kids are in the top 1% in talent in any given field (by definition). This is also true for disadvantaged kids. The difference is that just about all of the talented rich kids will see their talents nurtured. The talented poor kids are the eagle eggs in the story. Of course the other 99 eggs out of a hundred aren't in the top 1%, maybe some are robin eggs, but at least 50 are in fact chickens, who won't be harmed by being brought up in the chicken coop.

I reject your back of fag packet numbers.
I also reject your one dimensional thinking.

Well, bell shaped curves are in fact bell shaped. Reject reality at your own peril.

Everyone isn't above average (by definition).

[LuckyR]

luckyR, that's right, I can see that point now. I see this far more in the less developed or more poor countries than in the wealthier western ones. In the west, we have a few policies and actions that help to mitigate this but still, some of it happens. In the east where I reside part-time many live on very meager amounts, this issue is gigantic. Poor kids have almost zero chance to elevate themself even if they have talent.

One of the wonderful things that have occurred in western culture is the ability to elevate social status. It is possible, albeit difficult still.

In my opinion, many of our world records for achievements would be better if all talent had the chance. but how to do it, should the father of the wealthy child also need to provide for the poor child of his neighbor. In some cases, the wealthy man works very hard while the poor one does not.

Who is responsible for the chickens?

I grew up in a coop, and fly all over the place. It can be done.

But somehow things can be better.

I agree, everyone benefits when all of the talented are brought to their full potential. Though the currently supported talent will lose an advantage so listen for the whining.

[Sculptor1]

It is true that 1% of rich kids are in the top 1% in talent in any given field (by definition). This is also true for disadvantaged kids. The difference is that just about all of the talented rich kids will see their talents nurtured. The talented poor kids are the eagle eggs in the story. Of course the other 99 eggs out of a hundred aren't in the top 1%, maybe some are robin eggs, but at least 50 are in fact chickens, who won't be harmed by being brought up in the chicken coop.

I reject your back of fag packet numbers.
I also reject your one dimensional thinking.

Well, bell shaped curves are in fact bell shaped. Reject reality at your own peril.

Everyone isn't above average (by definition).

A bell curve does not render a ratio of 1:99

[mystery]

How many of the young have been stunted by society through metaphysical repression...

Is there some aim you didn't achieve in the last topic(s) that also discussed this same subject?

Just looking for those in whom philosophy as the love of wisdom has not been sacrificed to the great collective. They may have contemplated what is meant by "“That’s the eagle, the king of the birds,” the hens told him. “He belongs to the sky. We belong to the earth, we are just chickens.” Instead of associating it with social status, I would appreciate reading their thoughts on what is meant by belonging to the sky as opposed to the earth.

Hi Nick, are you asking about the viewpoint and mindset of the 1% and how they see the same story of eagle and chicken or something different, pls detail and give some example.

[Sy Borg]

There's more pigeon-holing in the OP than is ideal :)

The friction between the individual and the collective is what makes the world go around. Societies are like organisms. They need their cells to largely do as they are told for optimal function.

However, some humans would rather be free-wheeling "bacteria" than captive "mitochondria". That is, they would rather be weak as free individuals than strong as part of a dominant collective. Some of us can't do that because we our freedom of thought is important to us, including the freedom to reject widely accepted claims that seem false.

I guess the trick is to be "good bacteria" rather than a societal pathogen.

[Meiyoh]

There’s an old, well known story of a chicken farmer who found an eagle’s egg.

He put it with his chickens and soon the egg hatched.

The young eagle grew up with all the other chickens and whatever they did, the eagle did too. He thought he was a chicken, just like them.

Since the chickens could only fly for a short distance, the eagle also learnt to fly a short distance.

He thought that was what he was supposed to do. So that was all that he thought he could do. As a consequence, that was all he was able to do.

One day the eagle saw a bird flying high above him. He was very impressed. “Who is that?” he asked the hens around him.

“That’s the eagle, the king of the birds,” the hens told him. “He belongs to the sky. We belong to the earth, we are just chickens.”

So the eagle lived and died as a chicken, for that’s what he thought he was.

How many of the young have been stunted by society through metaphysical repression to believe they are like chickens attached to the earth and incapable of a higher universal perspective?

Weapons in the toolkit of the abusers:
1) Monarchy
2) Aristocracy
3) Race
4) Religion
5) Other forms of social heirarchy too numberous to mention.
6) Inequality of opportunity more generally- differential access to a good school, health, housing ad infinitem.

By these means idiots rule whilst geniuses work in factories putting cherries on top of cakes.

How many?? Most people in some for ot another consider themselves able where they are not, and not when they are able.

but where is war industry of west ? along with germany, russians, americans, and all western powers ?

where is it mentioned that you wont allow others to use there own natural resources, or else i dont think that you are something so special that everyone has to always look after you for any kind of helps nor your aim is that thing its just to deplete everything and say everyone that hey look at us, we are everything and has everything good.

where is it mentioned that you are throwing food stuff in ocean while blaming god for hungry african kids ? huh?

are you saintly man ? yet its fun that theives are talking about atrocities done by them and dont know that how its being done.

[LuckyR]

It is true that 1% of rich kids are in the top 1% in talent in any given field (by definition). This is also true for disadvantaged kids. The difference is that just about all of the talented rich kids will see their talents nurtured. The talented poor kids are the eagle eggs in the story. Of course the other 99 eggs out of a hundred aren't in the top 1%, maybe some are robin eggs, but at least 50 are in fact chickens, who won't be harmed by being brought up in the chicken coop.

I reject your back of fag packet numbers.
I also reject your one dimensional thinking.

Well, bell shaped curves are in fact bell shaped. Reject reality at your own peril.

Everyone isn't above average (by definition).

A bell curve does not render a ratio of 1:99

It depends where you draw the line. If eagles (the king of birds) represent the top 2.5% or 5% or whatever makes you feel better, be my guest. Point is true excellence is uncommon by definition. If everyone was excellent we'd call it "average".