If All Wildlife Animals Die

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Why do we need wildlife animals or even insects? What if we just destroy their habitats and make way for more houses, roads, gas pipelines etc. since that will advance human civilization further. So insects and animals contribute to our ecosystem example bees help with pollination of plants and crops, but can't we just rely on AI and robots in the future like artificial pollinators? And in the future we can build artificial trees that will suck in co2 in the air. Do you think we will slowly eliminate all wildlife? And why shouldn't we?
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A life without nature? Just humans, humans and more humans?

Truly a description of Hell. A world without freedom.
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...and have the most corrupt, disgusting species survive as the one and only! Yeah! Sounds like paradise. :twisted:
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First we have to invent the perfect woman and see how that works. Does it bring world peace? If it does, then we can worry about creating the perfect cat.
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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The human footprint is more through livestock than houses and roads.
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Evolution25 wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 7:28 am Do you think we will slowly eliminate all wildlife?
Yes.
Evolution25 wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 7:28 am And why shouldn't we?
That you even ask baffles me. The publicity that our ecosystem has received over your lifetime has achieved nothing? Or are you playing devil's advocate? Your question is equivalent to asking why we don't rip the engines out of our cars, to make more room for passengers. And the answer is the same for both questions.
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The waterways would clog with algae because there was nothing to eat it, and because the water was full of nutrients from all the dead animals. ... Well, a lot of plants would then die off as well, because there are many plants which depend on animals for their reproduction.
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The wildlife on the planet has value. There is beauty in it, and natural lessons to learn from.
Helicopters were designed to mimic dragonfly abilities. Pharmaceutical scientists study moss and fungai to provide enzymes to help with digestive problems.

Destroying the wildlife would be akin burning the books in the library (before there was internet).

Human beings tend to be self destructive especially when disconnected from the reality of the natural world.
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Every time a predator eats the last of some species and makes it extinct change occurs. It has occurred for millions of years before humans existed. We have some evidence of this in Archaeology. Humans are currently the class A preditor, or are they? A lowly virus tries to take that place, at some point perhaps one of those will be successful to remove humans.

Everything is zero-sum. We do not destroy or create; only remix things.

Is it not true that the current path is the best one, if for no other reason than all the other paths do not exist.
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Evolution25 wrote:Why do we need wildlife animals or even insects?
"Need" implies purpose. Need for what purpose? If the purpose you're talking about is the continued physical survival of the human race, and only that, then we probably don't need them. In principle, a large amount of non-human wildlife could indeed be replaced by artificial human-made mechanisms, such as the one you described, without the human race going extinct as a result.
Do you think we will slowly eliminate all wildlife? And why shouldn't we?
Because we don't want to.
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Evolution25 wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 7:28 am Why do we need wildlife animals or even insects? What if we just destroy their habitats and make way for more houses, roads, gas pipelines etc. since that will advance human civilization further. So insects and animals contribute to our ecosystem example bees help with pollination of plants and crops, but can't we just rely on AI and robots in the future like artificial pollinators? And in the future we can build artificial trees that will suck in co2 in the air. Do you think we will slowly eliminate all wildlife? And why shouldn't we?
It is not possible for a completely artificial biome to sustain humans in the long term.
Trying to continue to make one, will not lead to the advance of human civilisation.
Already our artificial environments have meant the end of Natural Selection.
The natural enviroment is part of a highly complex set of interactions for which we rely on a large number of things which are not obvious, such as the maintenance of our gut bacteria, without which we could not digest ordinary food; and on the acquisition of micro-nutrients which are easier to obtain through natural means than by artificial ones.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: May 23rd, 2021, 8:23 am
Evolution25 wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 7:28 am Do you think we will slowly eliminate all wildlife?
Yes.
Evolution25 wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 7:28 am And why shouldn't we?
That you even ask baffles me. The publicity that our ecosystem has received over your lifetime has achieved nothing? Or are you playing devil's advocate? Your question is equivalent to asking why we don't rip the engines out of our cars, to make more room for passengers. And the answer is the same for both questions.
People do the same thing on these boards constantly--with philosophical topics, other science-oriented topics, etc. On the one hand, they seem like they are reasonably intelligent, as if they must have had a decent education, etc., but then something about what they say will indicate such a profound ignorance about what they're asking about that it seems unbelievable that they'd even be able to tie their own shoes/feed themselves. You think, "How could they possibly have avoided all knowledge/awareness of this yet be as educated as they apparently are?" It's a weird contradiction that evidences time after time. It's something that makes these boards very frustrating, especially because there also seems to be some sort of block or resistance to educating the person about what they're so profoundly ignorant about, so it becomes a series of "talking to the wall" back and forths until one or the other person just decides to give up.
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On this general theme I recommend the movie Silent Running. Early 70's hippy type thing all about not killing off wildlife on Earth with Joan Baez singing the theme tune and starring Bruce Dern. Very cute little robots.
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Sy Borg wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 6:06 pm A life without nature? Just humans, humans and more humans?
Truly a description of Hell. A world without freedom.
No, less humans and more AI robots! :wink:

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Steve3007 wrote: May 24th, 2021, 10:10 am On this general theme I recommend the movie Silent Running. Early 70's hippy type thing all about not killing off wildlife on Earth with Joan Baez singing the theme tune and starring Bruce Dern. Very cute little robots.
Huey, Dewey, and Louis. Named after Donald Duck's nephews.
There were actuall people in those robots.
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