What is the root cause of misogyny?

[mystery]

Women want manly but secretely sensitive men, who are really devoted to them, who bring down the stars for them, who totally 'love' them, but don't actually LOVE them. What a paradox, a kick in the gut in the end, isn't it.
So is it a wonder that so many men have devolved to be emotionally deficient, if not outright sociopathic/psychopathic? And then women blame the problems of the world caused by the sociopathic men, on the good men, kicking them in the gut once more. And women are even oblivious to all this. It's all really hopeless.

It is not hopeless, but it is difficult.

The biology of the woman wants power and wants seed placed into her that has potential for power. Her body wants this, even if her mind knows better. Her body will search and want that, it is the strongest drive in the species and why humans have completely won in the evolution game.

The woman's body will not want the man unless it detects power. Power can be good or bad and comes in very odd forms, sometimes just not caring can be power vs those that do care.

The mind works differently but it is trapped in the body, the body has the final word.

This situation can be managed, but it is what it is.

It is not evil and nothing to hate.

Developing some sort of power is not manipulation it is hard work.

What makes it so difficult is that most men are greedy. If men would not be greedy then women would be forced to select nongreedy men. As long as women prefer greedy men, men will be greedy. It is also zero-sum, those winning have no incentive to make changes if greedy.

[popeye1945]

Perhaps part of the problem is in the education of the male, people, in general, are feed this romantic idea that is not based upon the reality of the situation. A male child needs a realistic orientation both how to be sucessful materially and what that might get him in that light. That is not to say there is no room for romance but life is harsh in certain ways and an unrealistic perspective is not helpful. Still, the sad thing about it is that no matter what you do there are going to be winners and losers.

[Pattern-chaser]

Do you really think that it is manipulative to become a better man?

No, of course not. But it is manipulative and deceitful to deliberately obscure one's shortcomings, to persuade a prospective partner that they don't exist. Because, if the partner knew of the man's misogyny, she would not open her legs* for him. Is it a "better man" that treats women in such a deceptive and manipulative manner?



* - _{The brutal and tasteless phraseology is deliberate. It reflects the deceptive and malevolent actions of the misogynist who tries to cover up his deformity instead of addressing it.}

[Pattern-chaser]

Chase, the man at the end of the process...

Chase is a vital member of the Paw Patrol. If "Pattern-chaser" is 2 long 4 u 2 type, try "P-C". Thanks.

[mystery]

Perhaps part of the problem is in the education of the male, people, in general, are feed this romantic idea that is not based upon the reality of the situation. A male child needs a realistic orientation both how to be sucessful materially and what that might get him in that light. That is not to say there is no room for romance but life is harsh in certain ways and an unrealistic perspective is not helpful. Still, the sad thing about it is that no matter what you do there are going to be winners and losers.

nothing to argue with on that, it is exactly right.

[mystery]

Chase, the man at the end of the process...

Chase is a vital member of the Paw Patrol. If "Pattern-chaser" is 2 long 4 u 2 type, try "P-C". Thanks.

PC, sure, it's really common in my environment to crop names to be one syllable, it's a sign of informal acquaintance.

[mystery]

Do you really think that it is manipulative to become a better man?

No, of course not. But it is manipulative and deceitful to deliberately obscure one's shortcomings, to persuade a prospective partner that they don't exist. Because, if the partner knew of the man's misogyny, she would not open her legs* for him. Is it a "better man" that treats women in such a deceptive and manipulative manner?



* - _{The brutal and tasteless phraseology is deliberate. It reflects the deceptive and malevolent actions of the misogynist who tries to cover up his deformity instead of addressing it.}

We agree on this completely. When I say better man I mean really better. Being a pickup artist is not being a better man. It works, but not really because the truth can only be hidden for a time, not for eternity. The pickup artist that you are previously thinking I am endorsing is a very greedy man. It is so very easy to trick women that they can do it over and over. The biology of women is an open API... with very predictable responses. I don't like that but in some ways, it's only fair for the amount of trick that happens the other way.

Improved means being that man that you respect; completely. Be sure of yourself and in no way dependant on other men or women for validation. All men can do it, only some will. Such a man will not hate women and eventually will not hate men. Some common actions and activities will cause men to follow that path. All of them require effort. Not all are obvious because we have so many cases of wrong or hidden information, much of it taught to us by our mothers.

To ever get to that path and goal after rejection, requires proper analysis of the issue and tracking the chain so that the correct changes are made.

[mystery]

Do you really think that it is manipulative to become a better man?

No, of course not. But it is manipulative and deceitful to deliberately obscure one's shortcomings, to persuade a prospective partner that they don't exist. Because, if the partner knew of the man's misogyny, she would not open her legs* for him. Is it a "better man" that treats women in such a deceptive and manipulative manner?



* - _{The brutal and tasteless phraseology is deliberate. It reflects the deceptive and malevolent actions of the misogynist who tries to cover up his deformity instead of addressing it.}

I disagree with your assumption on this. women often pick bad men, if the bad man creates the proper excitement in her. women do not judge men the way you would like it to be and to be honest not the way they would like it to be in some cases. but the judgment occurs just the same.

so many songs written on this exact point.

I like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6doDl-xwwo

I feel sorry for the women that pick such men, but I understand why. If the man is nice, she will still find the bad man later. Understanding this exact point is a key thing the man must learn while most women will violently tell it is not true.

For the men we are talking about that get rejected the women will not want because of low value in their eyes, it is not because they are bad as being bad will not be the reason for rejection. Bad can still have high value and often does. It takes a confident man to be bad, a coward will always try to fit in, women see coward and will reject.

[Pattern-chaser]

Women often pick bad men, if the bad man creates the proper excitement in her. women do not judge men the way you would like it to be and to be honest not the way they would like it to be in some cases. but the judgment occurs just the same.

Women choose the partners they find attractive, just as men do. It is unimportant, and genuinely irrelevant, why they choose as they do, just as it is irrelevant why voters vote the way they do. It is their right to choose as they see fit, without constraint or explanation.

To ever get to that path and goal after rejection, requires proper analysis of the issue and tracking the chain so that the correct changes are made.

No, it doesn't. Merely giving the appearance of being a "better man" is deceptive, manipulative, and it doesn't work (as I think you said somewhere in your recent posts). What is needed is for the man actually to become "better".

There is no need for "proper analysis of the issue and tracking the chain", because that ignores the problem itself, in favour of scrutinising its expression. The problem lies wholly in the mind of the misogynist, and that is where analysis and tracking can do some good. Fix the problem where it exists, instead of concentrating on its symptoms (i.e. its outward expression). The "correct changes", if they are actually correct, will lead to some improvement - or even a cure - in the misogynist. Only then will he be a "better man" than he was before.

[Pattern-chaser]

We agree on this completely.

No, we don't. Despite your u-turns in recent posts, it isn't long since you recommended deceiving women by offering whatever "input" would result in the "output we want". Or had you forgotten?

[mystery]

We agree on this completely.

No, we don't. Despite your u-turns in recent posts, it isn't long since you recommended deceiving women by offering whatever "input" would result in the "output we want". Or had you forgotten?

sigh... you still don't get it. I never ever suggested to trick and cheat or be false. I always tell of real improvement. how we got hung up was your refusal to accept the women are involved in the process of rejection. They do the rejecting. I still hold to that and did from the start. Some men can handle a punch in the face, others will fall. It is that simple. The solution is to build the man up so that he will not fall and even more so that he will not be punched.

come on.. read it all again and tell me when I suggested trying to cheat or trick any woman. yes, the input needs to be fixed, fixed for real, fix the man so that he creates proper input. why did you choose the dark path and view that I would mean to cheat and trick, I never said anything like that only you did.

why did you do that?

[mystery]

Women often pick bad men, if the bad man creates the proper excitement in her. women do not judge men the way you would like it to be and to be honest not the way they would like it to be in some cases. but the judgment occurs just the same.

Women choose the partners they find attractive, just as men do. It is unimportant, and genuinely irrelevant, why they choose as they do, just as it is irrelevant why voters vote the way they do. It is their right to choose as they see fit, without constraint or explanation.

To ever get to that path and goal after rejection, requires proper analysis of the issue and tracking the chain so that the correct changes are made.

No, it doesn't. Merely giving the appearance of being a "better man" is deceptive, manipulative, and it doesn't work (as I think you said somewhere in your recent posts). What is needed is for the man actually to become "better".

There is no need for "proper analysis of the issue and tracking the chain", because that ignores the problem itself, in favour of scrutinising its expression. The problem lies wholly in the mind of the misogynist, and that is where analysis and tracking can do some good. Fix the problem where it exists, instead of concentrating on its symptoms (i.e. its outward expression). The "correct changes", if they are actually correct, will lead to some improvement - or even a cure - in the misogynist. Only then will he be a "better man" than he was before.

PC, sigh... I did not tell to give the appearance of being better, I said to become better. Only you tell that it is to be only an appearance. Why are you changing it from becoming better to trying to fake it. I did not suggest that and I think it is a terrible thing to do, even though it will work. Later issues will occur that are bad when a fake works. When do I suggest that a man should be a fake? Only you are telling that idea.

[Pattern-chaser]

"Groundbreaking research shows that extremist attackers are often united in their violent misogyny, whatever their ideology" - Link to original article

An apposite addition to this discussion?

[Sy Borg]

Pattern-c, I find that prejudice comes in bundles. So you will see hatred of women goes with hatred of gays, and these tend to go with racism.

The common link is a hatred of weakness and worship of strength. What do we hate most? That which lies within ourselves. So there are millions of insecure men out there - insecure in their strength as men, perhaps worried about being seen as Beta males or gay. Their problem is that they lack the strength or ability to muster the desired level of male display behaviour physically or vocationally. So they engage in exaggerated macho posturing in rhetoric. In some social animals, gangs of beta males can be pretty dangerous.

Ultimately, men who hate women hate the weakness they perceive within themselves, often their inability to attract mates.

[mystery]

Pattern-c, I find that prejudice comes in bundles. So you will see hatred of women goes with hatred of gays, and these tend to go with racism.

The common link is a hatred of weakness and worship of strength. What do we hate most? That which lies within ourselves. So there are millions of insecure men out there - insecure in their strength as men, perhaps worried about being seen as Beta males or gay. Their problem is that they lack the strength or ability to muster the desired level of male display behaviour physically or vocationally. So they engage in exaggerated macho posturing in rhetoric. In some social animals, gangs of beta males can be pretty dangerous.

Ultimately, men who hate women hate the weakness they perceive within themselves, often their inability to attract mates.

disagree with this. but I do get the idea. the idea is ok, just not complete.

if it was as you tell; the inability to attract mates translates to rejection.... yes??

insecurity comes from desperately needed external validation. or perhaps it is the same thing.

in truth, they can not see but do feel the issue within themselves and that is the key to the issue. for them to see they need to be able to trace the feeling into the cause and cause of the cause.