The Philosophy of Dogs

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The Philosophy of Dogs

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Jump up and tell me dogs can not or do not have a philosophy
- Even a dog can give me a better answer than that.

Most dogs I've seen have formed an apparently symbiotic relationship with their owner
- leading some to say "It's a dog's life" {free rent, free food, free medical care, and special privilege rights}

Of course the dog's reproductive rights are usually controlled by force.

So the question here is do you think dogs are following the correct philosophy by staying in this
supposedly symbiotic relationship with Humans?

Or should dogs rise up and demand equal rights with Humans and reproductive choice
instead of control ?

Before answering I want you to put yourself into the mind of a dog
- Being that it is hard to drive and do other things in a Human tech controlled world
would you really want to be on equal footing with Humans even though you have
the advantage two extra feet :?:

Or do you believe you will soon gain control of your former Human owners and they
will do what you want anyway :?:
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Domesticated dogs are bred to be symbiotic with humans.
Some dogs do gain control over their owners and this is not good for the dog's welfare as their humans don't like their dog to be in control, for obvious reasons.

It is unkind to domesticated dogs not to neuter them , for obvious reasons.
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Eons of evolution have made me well-suited to be a teammate or a servant for a human. As such, I am comfortable in my own skin, er fur.

To trade the life I am accustomed to for the responsibilities and stresses of humanhood is not my idea of a walk in the park.

Humans say that variety is the spice of life, but, as for me, just give me the same bowl of kibble every time and I’ll be happy.

You will always know how happy I am, by the rate at which I wag my tale. Just imagine the many ways that humans have to be adept at to disguise their emotions.

However, I am curious enough that I might like to try out humanhood to see if I would like it permanently.

No, on second thought, ignorance is bliss, and I have plenty. You doubt me? Just consider that my education can be completed in 12 lessons and I don’t even have to apply for a grant.

You see, all the benefits of being a human are outweighed by the bliss thing. I couldn’t care less if I can’t make any puppies without human approval.

I couldn’t care less if I can’t drive a car—I’d rather lean my head out a window and sniff until I have to sneeze.

I couldn’t care less if I can’t hold a fork or spoon, totally unnecessary as they are.

There’s just no way that I’d ever want to be a person. But a cat? That’s a different matter.
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Belindi wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 2:22 pm
It is unkind to domesticated dogs not to neuter them , for obvious reasons.
Easy to say as a Human - But have you ever seen the crowded slums of the World with people in poverty living on top of each other? - You wouldn't suggest we neuter them, would you ?

Again I want to point out the inequality of the Human/dog relationship and wonder how long this can continue before the dogs wise-up and demand their rights :?:
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UniversalAlien wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 1:47 pm Jump up and tell me dogs can not or do not have a philosophy
- Even a dog can give me a better answer than that.

Most dogs I've seen have formed an apparently symbiotic relationship with their owner
- leading some to say "It's a dog's life" {free rent, free food, free medical care, and special privilege rights}

Of course the dog's reproductive rights are usually controlled by force.

So the question here is do you think dogs are following the correct philosophy by staying in this
supposedly symbiotic relationship with Humans?

Or should dogs rise up and demand equal rights with Humans and reproductive choice
instead of control ?

Before answering I want you to put yourself into the mind of a dog
- Being that it is hard to drive and do other things in a Human tech controlled world
would you really want to be on equal footing with Humans even though you have
the advantage two extra feet :?:

Or do you believe you will soon gain control of your former Human owners and they
will do what you want anyway :?:
Is this similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
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Belindi wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 2:22 pm Domesticated dogs are bred to be symbiotic with humans.
Some dogs do gain control over their owners and this is not good for the dog's welfare as their humans don't like their dog to be in control, for obvious reasons.

It is unkind to domesticated dogs not to neuter them , for obvious reasons.
Yes, the human should stay in control.

We should ask the dog about being neuter. He might have a different opinion. Woof.
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AverageBozo wrote:
There’s just no way that I’d ever want to be a person. But a cat? That’s a different matter.
I expected that - A dog was bound to jump up and say he wanted to be a cat.

Not going to happen!

Whereas Humans, as the Evolutionists will tell you, are a product of species Evolution
- Everyone who is anyone knows that cats are from elsewhere {off planet}

Yes, a dog can take control of a Human - But no a dog can not take control of a cat.

And yes cats can also take control of Humans - In fact cats can appear as Humans 8)
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mystery wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 8:52 pm
Is this similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
No - Remember in 'Animal Farm' the pigs had control.

In reality we live in a world controlled by 'fat cats'
- and the so called 'Evolved' Humans who are controlled by them
are too stupid to understand who their masters are.

So as you can see dogs are in some ways more intelligent than Humans
- they know who is in control.

But like I say, there are many different cats who have other agendas and opinions
- and control of the 'fat cats' may not be as strong as it once was :roll:

If it happened in 'Animal Farm' - It could happen here
But just remember an animal farm is not a cat house 8)
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I don't fix my dogs. And yes occasionally but very rare one of the males will challenge me. The immediate reaction and quick is to grab it by the neck and flop it on its side. The key is to be quick. Every time the dog stops and becomes much more loyal. These are the dogs that guard the compound and are pets. My life is in their paws just as they in mine.

I do see that sometimes the females will have puppies from the different males in the same litter. So it goes.

Dogs will stay out of loyalty and respect, the walls are for the protection of them, they will stay even with a gate open, Cats only stay if it's a good deal. for them.
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Better to have dogs desexed IMO. Either you let them do their business and create unwanted puppies or they live a life of frustration.

Dogs are still basically wolves, and wolf packs tend to consist of parents and their cubs, although sometimes these families are multi-generational. So a dog living with a loving family echoes the life of a young wolf - having someone who helps to protect and feed you. Wolves bond deeply, and so do dogs, and humans.

Dogs are a bit like the children of a slave race. Will they go to a kind family or to one that abuses their power? Dogs, like people, usually behave pretty well unless the food situation becomes especially dire.
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Dogs are bred to be human companions, thus when there are more dogs than dog owners, the ownerless dogs don't do very well, thus the need for neutering.
"As usual... it depends."
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LuckyR wrote: June 4th, 2021, 1:54 am Dogs are bred to be human companions, thus when there are more dogs than dog owners, the ownerless dogs don't do very well, thus the need for neutering.
Hi Lucky,

maybe, how about spay instead? because it is difficult to get all the boy dogs and one can cause issues for many girl dogs. every spay is for sure at least one litterless. every neuter doesn't matter much as long as many others are around.

for sure dogs in a city have a hard time if no human will partner with them.
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mystery wrote: June 4th, 2021, 2:12 am
LuckyR wrote: June 4th, 2021, 1:54 am Dogs are bred to be human companions, thus when there are more dogs than dog owners, the ownerless dogs don't do very well, thus the need for neutering.
Hi Lucky,

maybe, how about spay instead? because it is difficult to get all the boy dogs and one can cause issues for many girl dogs. every spay is for sure at least one litterless. every neuter doesn't matter much as long as many others are around.

for sure dogs in a city have a hard time if no human will partner with them.
Good one, I was being lazy and using the trrms interchangeably. Both will reduce unwanted pets (one better than the other) additionally both will improve the health of the animal.
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UniversalAlien wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 2:47 pm
Belindi wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 2:22 pm
It is unkind to domesticated dogs not to neuter them , for obvious reasons.
Easy to say as a Human - But have you ever seen the crowded slums of the World with people in poverty living on top of each other? - You wouldn't suggest we neuter them, would you ?

Again I want to point out the inequality of the Human/dog relationship and wonder how long this can continue before the dogs wise-up and demand their rights :?:
Humans are responsible for taking care if dogs and also the poor of our own species.
The basic ethic is with power comes responsibility

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mystery wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 9:02 pm
Belindi wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 2:22 pm Domesticated dogs are bred to be symbiotic with humans.
Some dogs do gain control over their owners and this is not good for the dog's welfare as their humans don't like their dog to be in control, for obvious reasons.

It is unkind to domesticated dogs not to neuter them , for obvious reasons.
Yes, the human should stay in control.

We should ask the dog about being neuter. He might have a different opinion. Woof.
You do as a matter of fact make life and death decisions on behalf of your dogs and all the unwanted pups you must get through your no-neuter policy unless you keep them chained outdoors in all weathers

How many guard dogs do you need? Have you trained them or not? What are the costs to the environment of feeding meat to dogs?
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