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Nature of acceptance and rejection

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If one ponders on what was said in this thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17391 in this it becomes clearer what we accept or reject is a movement of knowledge, which is the past. When we say something like "i resonate", or "i don't resonate", what we truly mean is we are filtering the new through the eyes of the past, which is knowledge. Information that confirms to past knowledge (past knowledge, which may even be incorrect) is accepted and, information which doesn't confirm is rejected.

Inquiring thus, it's easy to see why the human mind and heart is almost incapable of receiving anything new, as it's constantly measuring, evaluating, confirming to past knowledge.

In the absence of the new the human is in a constant movement of decline and deterioration, as there is no renewal.

It's no wonder that living becomes a burden, a chore, a mechanical repetition of the old and 'the known'.
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What is, in your opinion, “new”, “renewal”, and, as a consequence, why should it be there?
If we apply to yourself what you said, we must assume that it’s, most probably, nothing new; most probably your, my, our idea of “new” is conditioned by our discomfort with the “new”, so that it must be a very neutralized, domesticated, concept of “new”, at its very start.
Why not to consider the question in a positive way, as a resource, rather than just a problem which actually is affected by the criticism I wrote here before? We can think about,for example, the pleasure, the beauty of human ways of the new, like art. Here may be the answer: what we want and what we need is a human new, which, maybe, is the real meaningful and effective new for us. We have no use for new things that we perceive not humanly meaningful.

What I have said is an hypothesis.
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What is, in your opinion, “new”, “renewal”, and, as a consequence, why should it be there?
If we apply to yourself what you said, we must assume that it’s, most probably, nothing new; most probably your, my, our idea of “new” is conditioned by our discomfort with the “new”, so that it must be a very neutralized, domesticated, concept of “new”, at its very start.
Why not to consider the question in a positive way, as a resource, rather than just a problem which actually is affected by the criticism I wrote here before? We can think about,for example, the pleasure, the beauty of human ways of the new, like art. Here may be the answer: what we want and what we need is a human new, which, maybe, is the real meaningful and effective new for us. We have no use for new things that we perceive not humanly meaningful.

What I have said is an hypothesis.
It's interesting you mention beauty. Is beauty a continuity of the old. Surely not. Can beauty exist in relative degrees of ugliness/uglification. No. So one has to go into the question of beauty.

Likewise you question what is the "new". Well, logically is can't be what you are suggesting/hypothesizing. If the human is nothing but a bundle of second hand old-ness, nothing new can come out of him. In that sense everything man has created in terms of art, ideological crutches, or other kind of social remedies/crutches are all part of the old. And if the results of such creations are the measure, as they are factually, then we can see all of them bear the stamp of human neurosis.

Therefore the new that OP is alluding to can't be a continuity of the old in any shape, way, or form. It's perhaps the new when the old has ceased to exist and function. It's perhaps a mutation from the old where no remnants of the old remains.

It naturally follows that kind of newness may be perceived but cannot be boxed and stored away, or cannot be sold in the market, by the old mind.
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Skyblack wrote: June 18th, 2021, 7:55 pm If one ponders on what was said in this thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17391 in this it becomes clearer what we accept or reject is a movement of knowledge, which is the past. When we say something like "i resonate", or "i don't resonate", what we truly mean is we are filtering the new through the eyes of the past, which is knowledge. Information that confirms to past knowledge (past knowledge, which may even be incorrect) is accepted and, information which doesn't confirm is rejected.

Inquiring thus, it's easy to see why the human mind and heart is almost incapable of receiving anything new, as it's constantly measuring, evaluating, confirming to past knowledge.

In the absence of the new the human is in a constant movement of decline and deterioration, as there is no renewal.

It's no wonder that living becomes a burden, a chore, a mechanical repetition of the old and 'the known'.
Skyblack

The following biblical passage suggests it is possible to receive something new. Does the concept of new eyes to see and ears to hear seem possible or is it just religious fantasy?

Matthew 13
…15For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’ 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.…
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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The following biblical passage suggests it is possible to receive something new. Does the concept of new eyes to see and ears to hear seem possible or is it just religious fantasy?
First, if one has followed the OP/threads and the reasoning given so far, the old cannot "receive" the new. The ending of the old IS the new. Second, any "idea" of the new drawn from secondary sources whether secular or religious is based on authority, which is the old. Third, if something is truly new then it cannot be under the domain of labels, whether secular, religious, or some other kind.
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Skyblack wrote: June 19th, 2021, 6:48 pm
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The following biblical passage suggests it is possible to receive something new. Does the concept of new eyes to see and ears to hear seem possible or is it just religious fantasy?
First, if one has followed the OP/threads and the reasoning given so far, the old cannot "receive" the new. The ending of the old IS the new. Second, any "idea" of the new drawn from secondary sources whether secular or religious is based on authority, which is the old. Third, if something is truly new then it cannot be under the domain of labels, whether secular, religious, or some other kind.
OK, so you believe it is fantasy. I was just looking if any others had thought about what new eyes to see and new ears to hear in relation to experiencing in a new way means. Perhaps I'm the only one. So what else is new. :)
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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OK, so you believe it is fantasy. I was just looking if any others had thought about what new eyes to see and new ears to hear in relation to experiencing in a new way means. Perhaps I'm the only one. So what else is new.
No, the words "religious fantasy" were used by you. OP said, it's only a fantasy for the conditioned mind that is conditioned by the old. The old may include various kinds of lens's like the religious lens, or the secular lens, or some other kind of lens. Now you have to decided what kind of authoritative lens you have. If you have some kind of lens then it's correct, you have been fantasizing through the lens of the bible.
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Skyblack wrote on the Authority thread:
It seems there is a need for a psychological revolution within the person if he/she is serious. A revolution of our own psyche wherein, all psychological authority is uprooted and thrown out. This is very difficult, for there is not only the outward authority, which one can easily reject, but there is inward authority: the inward authority of one's own experience, of one's own accumulated knowledge, of the opinions, ideas, beliefs, which goads one's life. It’s harder to be free of the latter.
Then on this thread Sky asserts:
First, if one has followed the OP/threads and the reasoning given so far, the old cannot "receive" the new. The ending of the old IS the new. Second, any "idea" of the new drawn from secondary sources whether secular or religious is based on authority, which is the old. Third, if something is truly new then it cannot be under the domain of labels, whether secular, religious, or some other kind.
However it is explained, Man lives by dualistic reason or affirmation and denial and the law of non contradiction. However Man tries to explain things it will be interpreted down into dualistic reason. The leopard doesn't change its spots. Is there another way? Does Plato suggest it in the Cave allegory?
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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However it is explained, Man lives by dualistic reason or affirmation and denial and the law of non contradiction. However Man tries to explain things it will be interpreted down into dualistic reason.
Therefore the human mind is facing a crisis. Is it clear on the crisis it is facing? That's the subject matter of OP's posts.
Is there another way?
That's what the lover wisdom needs to explore. Obviously any "way" implies a method, a system, a theory, a conclusion, all of which run the risk of continuity of the old. An escape from facts, from what is. Which begs the question, can the human drop his his/her search for "ways".
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Skyblack wrote: June 20th, 2021, 1:55 pm
However it is explained, Man lives by dualistic reason or affirmation and denial and the law of non contradiction. However Man tries to explain things it will be interpreted down into dualistic reason.
Therefore the human mind is facing a crisis. Is it clear on the crisis it is facing? That's the subject matter of OP's posts.
Is there another way?
That's what the lover wisdom needs to explore. Obviously any "way" implies a method, a system, a theory, a conclusion, all of which run the risk of continuity of the old. An escape from facts, from what is. Which begs the question, can the human drop his his/her search for "ways".
We exist and live in a triune universe yet try and understand it through dualistic reason which is meaningless.

We reason by the law of the EXCLUDED middle. Are you familiar at all with the Law of the INCLUDED middle? The law of the excluded middle asserts that A and not A cannot both exist. The Law of the Included middle asserts that A and not A become one at a higher level of reality.

We need new eyes to see and ears to hear in order to open vertically to this higher reality.
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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I won't be responding to posts anymore and have given my reasons here viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17405&start=75
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