The role of knowledge in the deterioration of the human mind

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The role of knowledge in the deterioration of the human mind

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If one has read and pondered on OP's previous threads then one will start inquiring into knowledge.

Knowledge is a process of accumulation. Over time we accumulate information from various sources. The sources may be “scientific”, “secular”, “religious”, or some other kind. It may be the latest scientific fad or the oldest holy book. Aside for the usual suspects, knowledge also accumulates from what we call experiences/”practical” sources.

Burdened with the memories of this limited knowledge, and limited it is; since it’s perpetually accumulating, we meet life. So we are constantly meeting life from dead knowledge. Our relationships are based on knowledge. We re-act from knowledge.

Thus what we call life and living has become a second hand mechanical series of re-actions, from the burden of a constantly changing past which we call knowledge. Knowledge is the past. So we are living in the past.

It’s no wonder the human mind and heart is constantly deteriorating and becoming neurotic (broken).
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Skyblack wrote: June 20th, 2021, 1:23 pm If one has read and pondered on OP's previous threads then one will start inquiring into knowledge.

Knowledge is a process of accumulation. Over time we accumulate information from various sources. The sources may be “scientific”, “secular”, “religious”, or some other kind. It may be the latest scientific fad or the oldest holy book. Aside for the usual suspects, knowledge also accumulates from what we call experiences/”practical” sources.

Burdened with the memories of this limited knowledge, and limited it is; since it’s perpetually accumulating, we meet life. So we are constantly meeting life from dead knowledge. Our relationships are based on knowledge. We re-act from knowledge.

Thus what we call life and living has become a second hand mechanical series of re-actions, from the burden of a constantly changing past which we call knowledge. Knowledge is the past. So we are living in the past.

It’s no wonder the human mind and heart is constantly deteriorating and becoming neurotic (broken).
How would you go about breaking this pattern and thus living proactively?

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How would you go about breaking this pattern and thus living proactively?
That may be a wrong question. A crisis has been identified. The lover of wisdom has now the work cut out, to understand the crisis in all it's aspects. It's not like a fast food kind of resolution. That is an incorrect approach and result of our conditioning,
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Skyblack wrote: June 20th, 2021, 4:27 pm
How would you go about breaking this pattern and thus living proactively?
That may be a wrong question. A crisis has been identified. The lover of wisdom has now the work cut out, to understand the crisis in all it's aspects. It's not like a fast food kind of resolution. That is an incorrect approach and result of our conditioning,
So you are saying it's a matter of understanding all the different aspects of this crisis,but practically speaking what does that entail? Study,introspection?

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So you are saying it's a matter of understanding all the different aspects of this crisis,but practically speaking what does that entail? Study,introspection?
Yes. Study, introspection, inquiry-either alone or with people, observing oneself in thought, word, and action, watching our relationships. so on and so forth.
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Skyblack wrote: June 20th, 2021, 4:37 pm
So you are saying it's a matter of understanding all the different aspects of this crisis,but practically speaking what does that entail? Study,introspection?
Yes. Study, introspection, inquiry-either alone or with people, observing oneself in thought, word, and action, watching our relationships. so on and so forth.
OK. Playing devil's advocate. How does that differ from meditation or mindfulness? Are you suggesting mindfulness/meditation without the baggage of tradition religious beliefs?

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OK. Playing devil's advocate. How does that differ from meditation or mindfulness? Are you suggesting mindfulness/meditation without the baggage of tradition religious beliefs?
I knew where this was heading, ;)

I can answer your question Asif but would rather not. Please don't mind.
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Skyblack wrote: June 20th, 2021, 4:46 pm
OK. Playing devil's advocate. How does that differ from meditation or mindfulness? Are you suggesting mindfulness/meditation without the baggage of tradition religious beliefs?
I knew where this was heading, ;)

I can answer your question Asif but would rather not. Please don't mind.
OK,that's cool. Maybe in the future we can get to that.
I do want others on the forum to see that two intense thinkers can have a good conversation without getting reactive or defensive and still progress,clarify and be civil.

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OK,that's cool. Maybe in the future we can get to that.
I do want others on the forum to see that two intense thinkers can have a good conversation without getting reactive or defensive and still progress,clarify and be civil.
Absolutely Asif, we definitely can. A lot of the conflict that we see in these forums are territorial. Some of it are for purposes of testing. So on and so forth. But the point is if one really looks at this all these games are part of the deteriorating mind, isn't it? A mind that is conditioned to do all these. A petty and violent mind, which is a human condition, right?
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Asif

BTW, really appreciate you setting an example.
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Skyblack wrote: June 20th, 2021, 4:55 pm
OK,that's cool. Maybe in the future we can get to that.
I do want others on the forum to see that two intense thinkers can have a good conversation without getting reactive or defensive and still progress,clarify and be civil.
Absolutely Asif, we definitely can. A lot of the conflict that we see in these forums are territorial. Some of it are for purposes of testing. So on and so forth. But the point is if one really looks at this all these games are part of the deteriorating mind, isn't it? A mind that is conditioned to do all these. A petty and violent mind, which is a human condition, right?
I agree,the conflict is territorial and from insecurity.
I think some minds are naturally like this,and they aspire to try to belittle and control others. This is the majority.
A minority have been under trauma and so are sensitive.
And an even smaller minority are just great. Living naturally,freely and happily.
I think there are two different human conditions. Two species.

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Skyblack wrote: June 20th, 2021, 4:57 pm @Asif

BTW, really appreciate you setting an example.
Thank you.
Its nice to be able to have a protracted dialogue with some progress and goodwill. Its very rare on forums!

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Asif

At your convenience feel free to share your thoughts on the present subject. I willing to hear your thoughts on them. You may if you wish, tweak them according to any new insights you might have since our discussions.
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Skyblack wrote: June 20th, 2021, 6:20 pm @Asif

At your convenience feel free to share your thoughts on the present subject. I willing to hear your thoughts on them. You may if you wish, tweak them according to any new insights you might have since our discussions.
I do feel that humanity consists of two species. Its something I've observed at close quarters having been amongst people who are popularly called psychos. I also feel a vast majority of people will never really change their neurotic behaviour.
A lot of people seem to think if only humans had more awareness or meditated more or overcame their anxieties that humanity would then become born again or free human beings. I don't agree with that at all. Many people are bent on control and the only thing that will mitigate that is the Karma of their actions,the blowback from their behaviour rendering them impotent to peaceful free people.

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And in regards to what has been said in OP?
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