Fear of Death

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That was a passing remark and a suggestion, not an advice. It was an afterthought to your asking me for advice albeit in a round about way in this thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17400 , in other threads, as well as privately. And, you very well know my posts come with disclaimers that i have no authority, and urging all to disregard what i say, is they wish.

No let's get back to the main point. I stated previously, you "win". The fact that you still cannot walk away tells me ( an anyone that knows these things) you aren't even an amateur (troll). You are less than that. You are trying so hard and making it so obvious that it is hilariously funny in a pathetic way. Your push buttons strategy in your posts might work sometimes with other armatures (who are also looking for what you are looking), but it won't fly with the big boys, you know what i mean. So here comes the real advice, change your mo, or you will always come across as nothing more than sissy-like, with your hissies. These subjects aren't a game little fella, you know you can grow up and be a pro, right? You don't have to be an amateur.

I know this message is going to hurt, and i know you have already been hurt too much. Which is why you are doing what you are doing in these forums. But hey i gave you several chances to walk away. Hopefully this message might wake you up to the fact that you are still and amateur, so be a bit cautious. Be well, my friend.
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Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 4:17 pm I saw this thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17280

and it inspired me to pen a quick thought. Feel free to post @popeye1945

All fear is the fear of death,

for what is death but an ending of the known,

therefore all fear is the fear of an ending of the known.
All fear is fear of the unknown? What then shall we call my fear of being hit by a car if I cross the road carelessly? I know the danger, and my fear encourages me to avoid it...?
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Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 4:17 pm I saw this thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17280

and it inspired me to pen a quick thought. Feel free to post @popeye1945

All fear is the fear of death,

for what is death but an ending of the known,

therefore all fear is the fear of an ending of the known.
Death is a known certainty. You cannot fear what is known. You only fear the unknown and uncertainty.
"The Serpent did not lie."
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Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 4:54 pm Sure, there is fear of suffering, of uncertainty,

but if one looked deeper it's not the unknown man fears, but the fear is in that unknown he/she might lose the known. Fear of death is always of the ending of the known.

The known being the life man leads, however petty, shoddy, disorderly, conflict ridden.

Right Asif?
Many want to end the kind of life you describe. The take their own life. Death cannot be that fearful if they choose it over life which is unendurable.
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Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 5:06 pm Think about it for moment. This about this for a moment, one cannot fear the unknown, because one doesn't know it. One can only fear losing the known.

The question one can ponder, if they wish, what's the known?
Death. As soon as in one is born he starts dying a little every day.
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Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 5:16 pm
I've seen many people fear the unknown.
That's the point of the OP.

We think we are afraid of the unknown (in this case death), but in reality we are actually afraid of losing the known (in this case, life itself)
Actually life is full of uncertainties. Covid. Did you fear Covid? Of course you did.not death but the suffering from losing your breath.
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Many want to end the kind of life you describe.
Well, what's being described is common knowledge. A human condition.
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Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 5:39 pm
Fear of the unknown makes us cower inside Plato’s cave.
Right, that's the point of the OP, and has already been addressed. However it will require a clear, sharp, mind to figure that out, without OP having to spell it. Nevertheless, one of the subtle points being made by OP is the fear of the unknown (death in this case) is result of a confusion from the confused mind. Logically a human/the mind cannot fear anything that it doesn't know. Any fear of the unknown is actually a fear of the idea/concept of the unknown, not the real unknown since you don't know what happens after death.
So it is not death you fear, which is known. You really fear what happens after death. Many people dont believe in after death. You just die, done.
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So it is not death you fear, which is known. You really fear what happens after death.
You have the wrong end of the stick. Please read the progression of the thread for clarification.
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Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 6:29 pm If you are the one exception in humanity, that knows death, and you are still living,......well then the facts don't apply to you. Carry on.
Death and the concept of death is the same. Everyone knows what that means. Ypu cannot fear what is known and is certain.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 7:57 am
Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 4:17 pm I saw this thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17280

and it inspired me to pen a quick thought. Feel free to post @popeye1945

All fear is the fear of death,

for what is death but an ending of the known,

therefore all fear is the fear of an ending of the known.
All fear is fear of the unknown? What then shall we call my fear of being hit by a car if I cross the road carelessly? I know the danger, and my fear encourages me to avoid it...?
You know what the danger is, but whether the danger will in fact occur is unknown. Your fear about crossing the street is actually a fear of the unknown.
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Skyblack wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 12:25 am In case it isn't clear i have quoted @AverageBozo , and the response is directed at him.
Understood.
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Skyblack wrote: June 21st, 2021, 11:55 pm
True, ignorance cancels fear, except that awareness of one’s ignorance can spur fear.
Yes. That's why in OP one started by saying, "All fear is the fear of death",.

If one observes, there are two kinds of death. One biological when the organism dies, and one psychological when one's sense of self (an image) routinely dies . The latter happens every time we experience shock, pain, grief, sorrow etc. The sense of self, the "me", is obviously entwined to both the body and the psyche.

So when moments of uncertainty arises in ones' life, it immediately triggers fear via the pathways of experience and memory. For example one may think: i was hurt yesterday, i may get hurt tomorrow,, or, i was insure yesterday i may be insecure tomorrow.

Unable to cope with the fear of death (whether physical or psychological) the mind believes in some ideas. Without getting into the legitimacy of those ideas, the fact remains that any movement towards those ideas is a movement of fear trying to find security.

This is the reverse side of the coin. I have already in detail gone into the observe side of the coin, prior to this post.
Well put, S, well put.
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Skyblack wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 12:19 pm
So it is not death you fear, which is known. You really fear what happens after death.
You have the wrong end of the stick. Please read the progression of the thread for clarification.
Everything i quite clear. Death is certain and known and there it cannot be the cause of fear. There is nothing to progress after that.
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Re: Fear of Death

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Everything i quite clear.
No it isn't. But it doesn't seem like you are interested in a dialogue. So i will let you carry on with your rapid fire posts.
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