Fear of Death
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Fear of Death
and it inspired me to pen a quick thought. Feel free to post popeye1945
All fear is the fear of death,
for what is death but an ending of the known,
therefore all fear is the fear of an ending of the known.
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Re: Fear of Death
The unknown for many involves fear of potential suffering.
Death is a biggie for many,but many try to tranquilse this fear with secular and religious myths. They to suppress it with illusions.
The other fear I would refer to is anxiety. This is great. Anxiety is the shadow of desire,positive fear. The anxiety that you want to excel in a given task. That's a fear that I embrace.
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but if one looked deeper it's not the unknown man fears, but the fear is in that unknown he/she might lose the known. Fear of death is always of the ending of the known.
The known being the life man leads, however petty, shoddy, disorderly, conflict ridden.
Right Asif?
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I still say it's suffering. Because saying you lose the known is a bit abstract. Fear of loss of comfort,sure. Which is the same as suffering.Skyblack wrote: ↑June 21st, 2021, 4:54 pm Sure, there is fear of suffering, of uncertainty,
but if one looked deeper it's not the unknown man fears, but the fear is in that unknown he/she might lose the known. Fear of death is always of the ending of the known.
The known being the life man leads, however petty, shoddy, disorderly, conflict ridden.
Right Asif?
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The question one can ponder, if they wish, what's the known?
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Think about it for a moment, one cannot fear the unknown, because one doesn't know it. One can only fear losing the known.
The question one can ponder, if they wish, what's the known?
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I've seen many people fear the unknown. One can fear losing comfort.
The known depends on the person.For many its what they are comfortable with.
For me it's what is instinctively certain. But i think explaining these things too closely with strict definitions is gonna lead to trouble. To overconceptualisation. The devil is in the details!
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That's the point of the OP.I've seen many people fear the unknown.
We think we are afraid of the unknown (in this case death), but in reality we are actually afraid of losing the known (in this case, life itself)
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OK. If you flesh out what you are saying a bit more maybe we will see some convergence of concepts.
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There is nothing to clarify more. Have already done it. It's just a matter of seeing the fact. No concepts involved.OK. If you flesh out what you are saying a bit more maybe we will see some convergence of concepts.
You cannot be afraid of something you (or the mind) don't know anything about.
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Fear of the unknown makes us cower inside Plato’s cave.Skyblack wrote: ↑June 21st, 2021, 4:17 pm I saw this thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17280
and it inspired me to pen a quick thought. Feel free to post @popeye1945
All fear is the fear of death,
for what is death but an ending of the known,
therefore all fear is the fear of an ending of the known.
[/popeye1945
There’s also fear of embarrassment, fear of loss of control and fear of pain—the latter two, I’ll give you, being related to death in some situations.
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I disagree. You can. And it happens everyday in personal experience. Your suggestion is implying we can't be afraid of uncertainty. That is not true. Unless you are using definitions in a different way,that's why I asked if you could flesh it out.Skyblack wrote: ↑June 21st, 2021, 5:22 pmThere is nothing to clarify more. Have already done it. It's just a matter of seeing the fact. No concepts involved.OK. If you flesh out what you are saying a bit more maybe we will see some convergence of concepts.
You cannot be afraid of something you (or the mind) don't know anything about.
As it stands,I cannot agree as defined.
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True, ignorance cancels fear, except that awareness of one’s ignorance can spur fear.Skyblack wrote: ↑June 21st, 2021, 5:22 pmThere is nothing to clarify more. Have already done it. It's just a matter of seeing the fact. No concepts involved.OK. If you flesh out what you are saying a bit more maybe we will see some convergence of concepts.
You cannot be afraid of something you (or the mind) don't know anything about.
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Right, that's the point of the OP, and has already been addressed. However it will require a clear, sharp, mind to figure that out, without OP having to spell it. Nevertheless, one of the subtle points being made by OP is the fear of the unknown (death in this case) is result of a confusion from the confused mind. Logically a human/the mind cannot fear anything that it doesn't know. Any fear of the unknown is actually a fear of the idea/concept of the unknown, not the real unknown since you don't know what happens after death.Fear of the unknown makes us cower inside Plato’s cave.
Right, look closer, you will find they are examples of psychological death. By psychological death OP is pointing to the psychology behind the username 'AverageBozo'. Every time one is embarrassed or insulted, something of/in you dies a bit. Part of your psychological sense of you.There’s also fear of embarrassment, fear of loss of control and fear of pain—the latter two, I’ll give you, being related to death in some situations.
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