My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
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My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
When I tie it, it eventually comes unravelled the way I bought the buff. Is that the disorderly state? It doesn't seem like it can be. When it's tied it seems to be orderly, reverting back to orderly? Weird. If it is disorderly when tied, does it revert back to orderly? I'm confused about this. Hope it makes a good topic for the lighthearted.
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Re: My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
How many ways are there for your "buff" to be be tied which can all be placed in the one category "tied"?
Whichever one has the most states which can fit the one category, that's the disordered, high entropy one. Your "buff", left to its own devices, will tend towards that state.
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I like Aristotle.
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Re: My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
In it's original state it's a cylinder shape, reverting back to that, is that orderly or disorderly?Steve3007 wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2021, 10:54 am How many ways are there for your "buff" to be be loose (i.e. how many states can it be in), which can all be placed in the one category "loose"?
How many ways are there for your "buff" to be be tied which can all be placed in the one category "tied"?
Whichever one has the most states which can fit the one category, that's the disordered, high entropy one. Your "buff", left to its own devices, will tend towards that state.
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Re: My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
On the face of it, that sounds like the orderly state. So it sounds like it's breaking the second law of thermodynamics by spontaneously reverting to it. But before we write our paper on this and wait for our Nobel prize: It sounds like what you're essentially talking about is energy stored in a kind of spring, when it's tied, and being released when it comes unraveled and reverts to the cylinder shape. In that case, the energy stored in the buff (energy which you put into it by tying it) is converted to heat energy when it reverts to its cylindrical shape (only a small amount, so you won't feel it getting hot). So the orderly energy stored in the food that you eat is converted to disorderly heat energy.Whitedragon wrote:In it's original state it's a cylinder shape, reverting back to that, is that orderly or disorderly?
So the laws of thermodynamics are intact. No prize this time.
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Re: My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
So which is the orderly state?Steve3007 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2021, 11:29 amOn the face of it, that sounds like the orderly state. So it sounds like it's breaking the second law of thermodynamics by spontaneously reverting to it. But before we write our paper on this and wait for our Nobel prize: It sounds like what you're essentially talking about is energy stored in a kind of spring, when it's tied, and being released when it comes unraveled and reverts to the cylinder shape. In that case, the energy stored in the buff (energy which you put into it by tying it) is converted to heat energy when it reverts to its cylindrical shape (only a small amount, so you won't feel it getting hot). So the orderly energy stored in the food that you eat is converted to disorderly heat energy.Whitedragon wrote:In it's original state it's a cylinder shape, reverting back to that, is that orderly or disorderly?
So the laws of thermodynamics are intact. No prize this time.
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Re: My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
The tied ("coiled spring") state.Whitedragon wrote:So which is the orderly state?
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Re: My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
Thank you,
It seems it's not as simple and straight forward. It was a pleasant experience to chat with you about this topic.
As a last question, (like to keep this going), Should the buff be exposed to a substance that makes it shrink when it is in our agreed disorder, why is it reverting to the opposite, which we agreed to as one of the similar ordered states?
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Re: My buff (Head gear) Is driving me crazy - Entropy
Difficult to answer that without having the buff in front of us. Without being able to illustrate what we're talking about, we might even be talking at cross-purposes about which state of the buff represents the ordered state and which the disordered state.Whitedragon wrote:As a last question, (like to keep this going), Should the buff be exposed to a substance that makes it shrink when it is in our agreed disorder, why is it reverting to the opposite, which we agreed to as one of the similar ordered states?
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