To Mask or Not to Mask - which is safer?

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Protagoras
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It's amazing how many people who think they are logical and independent thinking can't see through this whole pandemic nonsense,and how quick people become paranoid and throw away their liberty because the government says so.
The government manipulates through your excess fears,that's how its always operated.
A lot of you are just gatekeepers and useful idiots for government slavery.
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Awww! Poor little babies! Is someone trying to make you wear a mask, or stop at a stop sign? That's exactly like beaing beaten with a whip if you don't work hard enough and having your children sold down the river!

I"m not sure which is more egregious, Nick's paranoid xenophobic bigotry (are caravans of illegal, maskless "aliens" swarming through our borders?), or his illogical "reasoning". Good grief! Of all the minor inconveniences to compare to slavery, mask mandates is the silliest.
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Ecurb wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 5:09 pm Awww! Poor little babies! Is someone trying to make you wear a mask, or stop at a stop sign? That's exactly like beaing beaten with a whip if you don't work hard enough and having your children sold down the river!

I"m not sure which is more egregious, Nick's paranoid xenophobic bigotry (are caravans of illegal, maskless "aliens" swarming through our borders?), or his illogical "reasoning". Good grief! Of all the minor inconveniences to compare to slavery, mask mandates is the silliest.
You just don't get it do you.
Government exists to try to pimp you. And this masking is just nonsense,curtailing your freedom.
Tell me,what would the government have to do to get you to start criticising?
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Protagoras wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 5:29 pm

You just don't get it do you.
Government exists to try to pimp you. And this masking is just nonsense,curtailing your freedom.
Tell me,what would the government have to do to get you to start criticising?
All laws curtail freedom. That's the only thing they CAN do. When the laws start unreasonably curtailing those freedoms I value, I'll criticize them. Until then, I'll listen to the epidemiologists concerning whether masks are an effective public health measure. You can continue to get your information from Qanon and other whacko internet sites.

Pimp? Huh? Is English your second language? Perhaps protagoras is one of those maskless illegal aliens that our wicked government keeps inviting into our country. No wonder he's anti-mask!
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For Trumpian Americans, a failure to rebel against governments in all things is seen as weakness - unless The Don makes the policy, in which case they see obedience as a patriotic duty.

The obsession with masks today is, as Ecurb implies, extremely trivial-minded and naive. The irony is that we are being exploited by a toxic combination of governments and multinationals (especially Big Fossil Fuels, Big Mining, Big Weapons, Big Pharma and Big Sensationalist Media). Trumpian attack dogs are are key plank to help stoke up societal divisions. They are doing a fine job, with help from Russian and Chinese trolls.

Thanks to Trumpian reactionaries, the little people are distracted by constant fights about trivialities like masks, gender and sexuality. This clears the way for their exploiters to decouple from the tax system without anyone much noticing, leaving the burden to those who can't afford it.
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CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary

It's pretty clear that the tendancy to beleive what you prefer to beleive is as prevalent on this forum as it is in the world of social media.
So if you don't like the government, or you don't like wearing masks then all you have to do is choose to believe that they have no use.
You can then move on to pretend that if you have no symptoms, or are vaccinated then you are not capable of infecting anyone so you do not have to wear a mask, and the mask wearing is all some sort of government plot - as if any government reliant on votes would do that.
But the fact is that no matter who you are, and what your symptoms are; whether or not you have had a vaccine, or if you have already had a covid infection - You are Still Capable of Spreading the Virus!
Just read the CDC reports. Read the Lancet.
The information is out there - all you have to do is put aside your fake faith in your own delusions and accept the truth of the matter..
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Ecurb wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 5:39 pm
Protagoras wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 5:29 pm

You just don't get it do you.
Government exists to try to pimp you. And this masking is just nonsense,curtailing your freedom.
Tell me,what would the government have to do to get you to start criticising?
All laws curtail freedom. That's the only thing they CAN do. When the laws start unreasonably curtailing those freedoms I value, I'll criticize them. Until then, I'll listen to the epidemiologists concerning whether masks are an effective public health measure. You can continue to get your information from Qanon and other whacko internet sites.

Pimp? Huh? Is English your second language? Perhaps protagoras is one of those maskless illegal aliens that our wicked government keeps inviting into our country. No wonder he's anti-mask!
I'm not interested in qanon or such like,nor your procustean ideology. You continue your worship of science and your gatekeeping. Folks like you very rarely criticise government because you are too cowardly and infantile.
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Sy Borg wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 5:53 pm For Trumpian Americans, a failure to rebel against governments in all things is seen as weakness - unless The Don makes the policy, in which case they see obedience as a patriotic duty.

The obsession with masks today is, as Ecurb implies, extremely trivial-minded and naive. The irony is that we are being exploited by a toxic combination of governments and multinationals (especially Big Fossil Fuels, Big Mining, Big Weapons, Big Pharma and Big Sensationalist Media). Trumpian attack dogs are are key plank to help stoke up societal divisions. They are doing a fine job, with help from Russian and Chinese trolls.

Thanks to Trumpian reactionaries, the little people are distracted by constant fights about trivialities like masks, gender and sexuality. This clears the way for their exploiters to decouple from the tax system without anyone much noticing, leaving the burden to those who can't afford it.
Yes,but does ecurb admit the toxicity of govt and big business?
Why do people not think academia,science and epidemiologists are also not exploiting people?
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Protagoras wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 6:05 pm
Sy Borg wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 5:53 pm For Trumpian Americans, a failure to rebel against governments in all things is seen as weakness - unless The Don makes the policy, in which case they see obedience as a patriotic duty.

The obsession with masks today is, as Ecurb implies, extremely trivial-minded and naive. The irony is that we are being exploited by a toxic combination of governments and multinationals (especially Big Fossil Fuels, Big Mining, Big Weapons, Big Pharma and Big Sensationalist Media). Trumpian attack dogs are are key plank to help stoke up societal divisions. They are doing a fine job, with help from Russian and Chinese trolls.

Thanks to Trumpian reactionaries, the little people are distracted by constant fights about trivialities like masks, gender and sexuality. This clears the way for their exploiters to decouple from the tax system without anyone much noticing, leaving the burden to those who can't afford it.
Yes,but does ecurb admit the toxicity of govt and big business?
Why do people not think academia, science and epidemiologists are also not exploiting people?
I expect that he figures that the toxicity of Big Media, Big Resources, Big Banking, Big Weapons and and Big Government are already well-known. While all institutions are tainted, the ones you list are amongst the most trustworthy. Not entirely so, sure, but generally more honest.

You can tell by the pay grades. The money involved, the more a field will be tainted, eg. real estate, cars. There's no money in being an academic or a scientist. A Principal Research Scientist with PhDs and decades of experience can earn less than young accountants and lawyers, and far less than young merchant bankers. Rule of thumb: the more beautiful and desirable an occupation, the more people who want to do it, and that drives payment down.

Meanwhile, the powers-that-be gain nothing from mask wearing. Quite the opposite, because it thwarts facial recognition technology. The smartest insurgents to assault the Capitol last year wore masks (as opposed to Viking helmets). Not long ago, it was illegal to walk into a bank with one's face covered, now it's law.

This is not due to sinister mechanisations - aside from the CCP allowing the Wuhan coronavirus to spread around the world while they were already shutting down their internal borders - but that's another story. No, mask wearing is simply about disease control. I'm hearing that vaccinated people can still be infectious with the Delta strain, even if the vaccine dampens their COVID symptoms. Interesting times.

Another issue that is rarely spoken about is administrative cost-cutting and regulative apathy. For instance, it's easier to force all dog owners to walk their dog on a leash, even if their dog is old, lazy, socialised, well-trained and has all the aggression and prey drive of a soap bubble.

It's easier to outlaw drugs and let addicts destroy themselves than to register addicts and help them lead productive lives (and it provides tremendous income for private prison operators). Of course, the cost of the war on drugs to societies is incalculable. A massive, corrupt failure, supported by Big Alcohol and Clubs and Pubs alliances.

It's easier to demand that elderly people on the dole whom have become unemployable to apply for a certain number of jobs each week or risk loss of payment. Again, it's simpler to lump everyone into a single basket that to assess individual cases.

And it's easier to tell everyone to wear masks outdoors than to specify more targeted policies. Often, what is thought of as as sinister in government is actually more lazy and inconsiderate.
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Protagoras
You just don't get it do you.
Government exists to try to pimp you. And this masking is just nonsense,curtailing your freedom.
Tell me,what would the government have to do to get you to start criticising?
You almost make me want to begin a thread on the political mind. You understand it but who else does? Only a few doIt would be based on Simone Weil's observation:
"When a man joins a political party, he submissively adopts a mental attitude which he will express later on with words such as, ‘As a monarchist, as a Socialist, I think that …’ It is so comfortable! It amounts to having no thoughts at all. Nothing is more comfortable than not having to think." Simone Weil
Why is it that so many defend obvious hypocrisy? On one hand the supporters of a poltical decision allow illegal aliens contaminated with covid and maskless to invade the southern border free as a bird. On the other hand those unwilling or unable to take the vaccine are condemned. This is obvious hypocrisy but for some reason not seen by those with political interests. Allegiance to politics apparently blocks out logic.

Maybe Simone is right and "Nothing is more comfortable than not having to think." Frightening if true. Yet losing the ability to think would explain the acceptance of genocides for example
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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Protagoras wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 6:05 pm

Yes,but does ecurb admit the toxicity of govt and big business?
Why do people not think academia,science and epidemiologists are also not exploiting people?
Your use of double negatives is confusing, Prota. I believe you are trying to say something that is, in fact, the opposite of what you actually ARE saying. Academia would not approve of such shoddy writing skills.

I am neither a coward nor an infant. For example, I don't own any personal protection firearms, which is clearly a cowardly thing to do. Who is so lily-livered that they buy a gun to protect themselves? Where are the imaginary hostile forces? Are they in the maskless caravan of illegal aliens about which Nick keeps prattling.

What possible motive would academia or government have to promote (unnecessary) mask-wearing? Unless there is a potential motive, I don't buy the theory.

By the way, I certainly admit the "toxicity" (whatever that means -- fossil fuel use and global warming, perhaps?) of government and big business -- especially when Donald Trump was President.
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Nick_A wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 6:56 pm

Maybe Simone is right and "Nothing is more comfortable than not having to think." Frightening if true. Yet losing the ability to think would explain the acceptance of genocides for example
If Simone is right, you should be extremely comfortable, Nick.
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Nick_A wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 6:56 pm
Maybe Simone is right and "Nothing is more comfortable than not having to think." Frightening if true. Yet losing the ability to think would explain the acceptance of genocides for example
Actually, anyone with the ability to think, knows that genocides, as implemented by states, requires a lot of planning and thinking.
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Ecurb wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 5:39 pm All laws curtail freedom. That's the only thing they CAN do.
Don't these count as laws?

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
"If determinism holds, then past events have conspired to cause me to hold this view--it is out of my control. Either I am right about free will, or it is not my fault that I am wrong."
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Tegularius wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 7:25 pm
Nick_A wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 6:56 pm
Maybe Simone is right and "Nothing is more comfortable than not having to think." Frightening if true. Yet losing the ability to think would explain the acceptance of genocides for example
Actually, anyone with the ability to think, knows that genocides, as implemented by states, requires a lot of planning and thinking.
You are describing goal directed indoctrination, Impartial reason doesn't exclude but rather includes information. That is why impartial reason or common sense must be canceled in a slave state.
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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