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Sculptor1 wrote: September 27th, 2021, 5:34 pm However culture can be boundless and open to all who would wish to fourish and enjoy it. Musical culture provided it is not bounded as "black" or "white" is avaliable to enrich the lives of any who appraciate it. Art and literature, (provided again the it is not bounded) can be free to all.
Pattern-chaser wrote: September 28th, 2021, 11:58 am True enough! While culture includes music, art and literature, as you say, it also includes and embraces politics, science (the discipline, not its subject matter), mathematics, and philosophy. Everything human-created is part of human culture. [No, I don't include bridges, for example, even though humans create them. I mean to refer to culturo-mental (???) things.]
Sculptor1 wrote: September 28th, 2021, 12:36 pm That is not what I said.
All the things you list to "embrace" white culture can be found the world over.
Actually bridges are also culture as is Coke cans, screwdrivers and tombs.
Archaeology calls that "Material Culture".
Pattern-chaser wrote: September 29th, 2021, 7:40 am I think you might've mis-read what I wrote...?
Sculptor1 wrote: September 29th, 2021, 8:37 am If all the things that you said embrace white culture, are in fact found the world over then they are not "white" but human.
Steve3007 wrote: September 30th, 2021, 4:05 am Maybe the solution is to copy the word "while" (blue one) from PC's post, paste it into MS Word or something and blow it up really big.
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Sculptor1: I wrote "WHILE", but you seem to have read it as "WHITE". OK?
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Arbitrary by functional/practical standards, ie what practical objectives/functions do cultural things proffer.

I've conceded the argument already, so at this point all we're doing is talking about the semantics of a failed proposition.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: September 30th, 2021, 10:29 am Sculptor1: I wrote "WHILE", but you seem to have read it as "WHITE". OK?
Opps.

I'm getting old. Or need to adjust the font size on my laptop!
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tsihcrana wrote: September 30th, 2021, 10:40 am Arbitrary by functional/practical standards, ie what practical objectives/functions do cultural things proffer.

I've conceded the argument already, so at this point all we're doing is talking about the semantics of a failed proposition.
Have you? . I thought you argument was sound. That cultural divisiveness is arbitrary, and delusional.
Railing against culture per se is not valid, but against the divisions between one "type" and another is a good project.

Culture can be two distinct things.
Culture is a word that can be used to indicate lofty stadards in art and literature such "High Culture" is not to be confused with the anthropological/archaeological definitions, which seek to identify peoples in the past(archeo) and in the recent history of humankind (anthro), embracing the fact that cultural items can be used to idnetify and divide cultures is not the same as saying these things are bounded and immutable.
So if we find a piece of an Attic Vase in Nothern Britain in a pre-Roman Briton level then we can identify a degree of contact between Briton and the Greek people, by trade.
Human cultures chose indentifable practices and object to promote otherness, and to create the Shibboleths of belonging against outside possibly hostile interests from outsiders.
Recognising that this is how culture can be used is not an endorsement.

Racism is always just under the surface and cultural definitions can be mobilised for racist purposes.
"Cultural Appropriation".
In my view this is racism. I do not mean appropriating a culture. I mean accusing another person of appropriation is racist.

Led Zeppelin took the "blackman's" Blues and turned it into Heavy Metal. Led Zep honour all the Blues guys they adapted, and give them full credit for what they did. In some cases songs by Willie Dixon, and Howling Wolf were modified and recorded by Zep.
Were they to have done this in recent time they may well have been accused of cultural approproation.

What you might call Cultural Appropriation has been a part of our world since the dawn of time and has brought people together.
WIthout Rock & Roll there would not have been a civil rights movement, and the Soviet Union would not have fallen.
THere is nothing more important to the fall of Russia that Gorbechev's love of the Beatles.
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tsihcrana wrote: September 27th, 2021, 2:21 pm The title pretty much sums the argument. Strip a culture of it's pointless practices, unfounded beliefs, mythologies, empty traditions, ideologies, superstitions, religions, fashions etc and what you have left is no culture at all, but instead empirical truth.
The ONLY empirical truth I could imagine after such subtractions and many more, including philosophy, is the human will itself designed by nature to force survival. Error usually precedes truth in its ongoing campaign offering itself more as a refinement toward truth than any such certainty actually existing. With all the paraphernalia of culture removed, empirical truth has no impetus or motive to manifest itself and therefore zero chance of existing. Truth may be the destination but errors are the journey.
The earth has a skin and that skin has diseases; one of its diseases is called man ... Nietzsche
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Sculptor1 wrote: September 30th, 2021, 1:11 pm
tsihcrana wrote: September 30th, 2021, 10:40 am Arbitrary by functional/practical standards, ie what practical objectives/functions do cultural things proffer.

I've conceded the argument already, so at this point all we're doing is talking about the semantics of a failed proposition.
Have you? . I thought you argument was sound. That cultural divisiveness is arbitrary, and delusional.
Railing against culture per se is not valid, but against the divisions between one "type" and another is a good project.

Culture can be two distinct things.
Culture is a word that can be used to indicate lofty stadards in art and literature such "High Culture" is not to be confused with the anthropological/archaeological definitions, which seek to identify peoples in the past(archeo) and in the recent history of humankind (anthro), embracing the fact that cultural items can be used to idnetify and divide cultures is not the same as saying these things are bounded and immutable.
So if we find a piece of an Attic Vase in Nothern Britain in a pre-Roman Briton level then we can identify a degree of contact between Briton and the Greek people, by trade.
Human cultures chose indentifable practices and object to promote otherness, and to create the Shibboleths of belonging against outside possibly hostile interests from outsiders.
Recognising that this is how culture can be used is not an endorsement.

Racism is always just under the surface and cultural definitions can be mobilised for racist purposes.
"Cultural Appropriation".
In my view this is racism. I do not mean appropriating a culture. I mean accusing another person of appropriation is racist.

Led Zeppelin took the "blackman's" Blues and turned it into Heavy Metal. Led Zep honour all the Blues guys they adapted, and give them full credit for what they did. In some cases songs by Willie Dixon, and Howling Wolf were modified and recorded by Zep.
Were they to have done this in recent time they may well have been accused of cultural approproation.

What you might call Cultural Appropriation has been a part of our world since the dawn of time and has brought people together.
WIthout Rock & Roll there would not have been a civil rights movement, and the Soviet Union would not have fallen.
THere is nothing more important to the fall of Russia that Gorbechev's love of the Beatles.
Yeah, Zep gave full credit... after losing a lawsuit in court.
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LuckyR wrote: October 1st, 2021, 1:09 am
Sculptor1 wrote: September 30th, 2021, 1:11 pm
tsihcrana wrote: September 30th, 2021, 10:40 am Arbitrary by functional/practical standards, ie what practical objectives/functions do cultural things proffer.

I've conceded the argument already, so at this point all we're doing is talking about the semantics of a failed proposition.
Have you? . I thought you argument was sound. That cultural divisiveness is arbitrary, and delusional.
Railing against culture per se is not valid, but against the divisions between one "type" and another is a good project.

Culture can be two distinct things.
Culture is a word that can be used to indicate lofty stadards in art and literature such "High Culture" is not to be confused with the anthropological/archaeological definitions, which seek to identify peoples in the past(archeo) and in the recent history of humankind (anthro), embracing the fact that cultural items can be used to idnetify and divide cultures is not the same as saying these things are bounded and immutable.
So if we find a piece of an Attic Vase in Nothern Britain in a pre-Roman Briton level then we can identify a degree of contact between Briton and the Greek people, by trade.
Human cultures chose indentifable practices and object to promote otherness, and to create the Shibboleths of belonging against outside possibly hostile interests from outsiders.
Recognising that this is how culture can be used is not an endorsement.

Racism is always just under the surface and cultural definitions can be mobilised for racist purposes.
"Cultural Appropriation".
In my view this is racism. I do not mean appropriating a culture. I mean accusing another person of appropriation is racist.

Led Zeppelin took the "blackman's" Blues and turned it into Heavy Metal. Led Zep honour all the Blues guys they adapted, and give them full credit for what they did. In some cases songs by Willie Dixon, and Howling Wolf were modified and recorded by Zep.
Were they to have done this in recent time they may well have been accused of cultural approproation.

What you might call Cultural Appropriation has been a part of our world since the dawn of time and has brought people together.
WIthout Rock & Roll there would not have been a civil rights movement, and the Soviet Union would not have fallen.
THere is nothing more important to the fall of Russia that Gorbechev's love of the Beatles.
Yeah, Zep gave full credit... after losing a lawsuit in court.
That was not with the blues men but WHITE men: a desperate and impoverished inheritor of "Spirit" for a sequence of FIVE NOTES, that Spirit had already lifted from Beethoven.
The case was an embarrassment to the legal system!
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LuckyR wrote: October 1st, 2021, 1:09 am
Sculptor1 wrote: September 30th, 2021, 1:11 pm
tsihcrana wrote: September 30th, 2021, 10:40 am Arbitrary by functional/practical standards, ie what practical objectives/functions do cultural things proffer.

I've conceded the argument already, so at this point all we're doing is talking about the semantics of a failed proposition.
Have you? . I thought you argument was sound. That cultural divisiveness is arbitrary, and delusional.
Railing against culture per se is not valid, but against the divisions between one "type" and another is a good project.

Culture can be two distinct things.
Culture is a word that can be used to indicate lofty stadards in art and literature such "High Culture" is not to be confused with the anthropological/archaeological definitions, which seek to identify peoples in the past(archeo) and in the recent history of humankind (anthro), embracing the fact that cultural items can be used to idnetify and divide cultures is not the same as saying these things are bounded and immutable.
So if we find a piece of an Attic Vase in Nothern Britain in a pre-Roman Briton level then we can identify a degree of contact between Briton and the Greek people, by trade.
Human cultures chose indentifable practices and object to promote otherness, and to create the Shibboleths of belonging against outside possibly hostile interests from outsiders.
Recognising that this is how culture can be used is not an endorsement.

Racism is always just under the surface and cultural definitions can be mobilised for racist purposes.
"Cultural Appropriation".
In my view this is racism. I do not mean appropriating a culture. I mean accusing another person of appropriation is racist.

Led Zeppelin took the "blackman's" Blues and turned it into Heavy Metal. Led Zep honour all the Blues guys they adapted, and give them full credit for what they did. In some cases songs by Willie Dixon, and Howling Wolf were modified and recorded by Zep.
Were they to have done this in recent time they may well have been accused of cultural approproation.

What you might call Cultural Appropriation has been a part of our world since the dawn of time and has brought people together.
WIthout Rock & Roll there would not have been a civil rights movement, and the Soviet Union would not have fallen.
THere is nothing more important to the fall of Russia that Gorbechev's love of the Beatles.
Yeah, Zep gave full credit... after losing a lawsuit in court.
And....
You may like to know that Led Zepellin finally won the case which was seen as trivial.
****bbc*co*uk/news/entertainment-arts-54423922
If you are atill confused please refer to Rick Beato on You Tube v=-MBKJDmE-OQ "LED ZEPPELIN vs SPIRIT Lawsuit | Stairway To Heaven Comparison"
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Sculptor1 wrote: October 1st, 2021, 6:08 am
LuckyR wrote: October 1st, 2021, 1:09 am
Sculptor1 wrote: September 30th, 2021, 1:11 pm
tsihcrana wrote: September 30th, 2021, 10:40 am Arbitrary by functional/practical standards, ie what practical objectives/functions do cultural things proffer.

I've conceded the argument already, so at this point all we're doing is talking about the semantics of a failed proposition.
Have you? . I thought you argument was sound. That cultural divisiveness is arbitrary, and delusional.
Railing against culture per se is not valid, but against the divisions between one "type" and another is a good project.

Culture can be two distinct things.
Culture is a word that can be used to indicate lofty stadards in art and literature such "High Culture" is not to be confused with the anthropological/archaeological definitions, which seek to identify peoples in the past(archeo) and in the recent history of humankind (anthro), embracing the fact that cultural items can be used to idnetify and divide cultures is not the same as saying these things are bounded and immutable.
So if we find a piece of an Attic Vase in Nothern Britain in a pre-Roman Briton level then we can identify a degree of contact between Briton and the Greek people, by trade.
Human cultures chose indentifable practices and object to promote otherness, and to create the Shibboleths of belonging against outside possibly hostile interests from outsiders.
Recognising that this is how culture can be used is not an endorsement.

Racism is always just under the surface and cultural definitions can be mobilised for racist purposes.
"Cultural Appropriation".
In my view this is racism. I do not mean appropriating a culture. I mean accusing another person of appropriation is racist.

Led Zeppelin took the "blackman's" Blues and turned it into Heavy Metal. Led Zep honour all the Blues guys they adapted, and give them full credit for what they did. In some cases songs by Willie Dixon, and Howling Wolf were modified and recorded by Zep.
Were they to have done this in recent time they may well have been accused of cultural approproation.

What you might call Cultural Appropriation has been a part of our world since the dawn of time and has brought people together.
WIthout Rock & Roll there would not have been a civil rights movement, and the Soviet Union would not have fallen.
THere is nothing more important to the fall of Russia that Gorbechev's love of the Beatles.
Yeah, Zep gave full credit... after losing a lawsuit in court.
That was not with the blues men but WHITE men: a desperate and impoverished inheritor of "Spirit" for a sequence of FIVE NOTES, that Spirit had already lifted from Beethoven.
The case was an embarrassment to the legal system!
Uummm... no. I'm talking about Led Zeppelin vs Willie Dixon 1972. Google it if you're confused.
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LuckyR wrote: October 2nd, 2021, 1:10 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 1st, 2021, 6:08 am
LuckyR wrote: October 1st, 2021, 1:09 am
Sculptor1 wrote: September 30th, 2021, 1:11 pm

Have you? . I thought you argument was sound. That cultural divisiveness is arbitrary, and delusional.
Railing against culture per se is not valid, but against the divisions between one "type" and another is a good project.

Culture can be two distinct things.
Culture is a word that can be used to indicate lofty stadards in art and literature such "High Culture" is not to be confused with the anthropological/archaeological definitions, which seek to identify peoples in the past(archeo) and in the recent history of humankind (anthro), embracing the fact that cultural items can be used to idnetify and divide cultures is not the same as saying these things are bounded and immutable.
So if we find a piece of an Attic Vase in Nothern Britain in a pre-Roman Briton level then we can identify a degree of contact between Briton and the Greek people, by trade.
Human cultures chose indentifable practices and object to promote otherness, and to create the Shibboleths of belonging against outside possibly hostile interests from outsiders.
Recognising that this is how culture can be used is not an endorsement.

Racism is always just under the surface and cultural definitions can be mobilised for racist purposes.
"Cultural Appropriation".
In my view this is racism. I do not mean appropriating a culture. I mean accusing another person of appropriation is racist.

Led Zeppelin took the "blackman's" Blues and turned it into Heavy Metal. Led Zep honour all the Blues guys they adapted, and give them full credit for what they did. In some cases songs by Willie Dixon, and Howling Wolf were modified and recorded by Zep.
Were they to have done this in recent time they may well have been accused of cultural approproation.

What you might call Cultural Appropriation has been a part of our world since the dawn of time and has brought people together.
WIthout Rock & Roll there would not have been a civil rights movement, and the Soviet Union would not have fallen.
THere is nothing more important to the fall of Russia that Gorbechev's love of the Beatles.
Yeah, Zep gave full credit... after losing a lawsuit in court.
That was not with the blues men but WHITE men: a desperate and impoverished inheritor of "Spirit" for a sequence of FIVE NOTES, that Spirit had already lifted from Beethoven.
The case was an embarrassment to the legal system!
Uummm... no. I'm talking about Led Zeppelin vs Willie Dixon 1972. Google it if you're confused.
I would link it if I were you.
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Sculptor1 wrote: October 2nd, 2021, 5:19 am
LuckyR wrote: October 2nd, 2021, 1:10 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 1st, 2021, 6:08 am
LuckyR wrote: October 1st, 2021, 1:09 am

Yeah, Zep gave full credit... after losing a lawsuit in court.
That was not with the blues men but WHITE men: a desperate and impoverished inheritor of "Spirit" for a sequence of FIVE NOTES, that Spirit had already lifted from Beethoven.
The case was an embarrassment to the legal system!
Uummm... no. I'm talking about Led Zeppelin vs Willie Dixon 1972. Google it if you're confused.
I would link it if I were you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Lotta_Love

"Similarities with "You Need Love" led to a lawsuit against Led Zeppelin in 1985, settled out of court in favour of Dixon for an undisclosed amount.[10] On subsequent releases, Dixon's name is included on the credits for "Whole Lotta Love".[16] Plant explained in an interview with Musician:

Page's riff was Page's riff. It was there before anything else. I just thought, 'well, what am I going to sing?' That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time and influence that ... well, you only get caught when you're successful. That's the game".
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LuckyR wrote: October 3rd, 2021, 12:59 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 2nd, 2021, 5:19 am
LuckyR wrote: October 2nd, 2021, 1:10 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 1st, 2021, 6:08 am

That was not with the blues men but WHITE men: a desperate and impoverished inheritor of "Spirit" for a sequence of FIVE NOTES, that Spirit had already lifted from Beethoven.
The case was an embarrassment to the legal system!
Uummm... no. I'm talking about Led Zeppelin vs Willie Dixon 1972. Google it if you're confused.
I would link it if I were you.


"Similarities with "You Need Love" led to a lawsuit against Led Zeppelin in 1985, settled out of court in favour of Dixon for an undisclosed amount.[10] On subsequent releases, Dixon's name is included on the credits for "Whole Lotta Love".[16] Plant explained in an interview with Musician:

Page's riff was Page's riff. It was there before anything else. I just thought, 'well, what am I going to sing?' That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time and influence that ... well, you only get caught when you're successful. That's the game".
THese are all frivolous. Retrospective legal cases based on a changing landscape.
My point was, which you seem to want to ignore, was that credit where due was given. Original artists were credited on the albums, following the normal pattern of blues music which was always a sharing and covering culture. WIllie Dixon copied from Howling Wolf who copied from traditional music; Muddy waters copied, Chuck Berry copied, as did Little RIchard, and they all copied from Robert Johnson.
It was only in subsequent years long after the sings were out of the chart that litigious lawyers looking to make a buck argued to gain cash. That was just the start of the wokie "cultural appropriation", which extended the obsession to include entire differnt colours of people.
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Sculptor1 wrote: October 3rd, 2021, 5:18 pm
LuckyR wrote: October 3rd, 2021, 12:59 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 2nd, 2021, 5:19 am
LuckyR wrote: October 2nd, 2021, 1:10 am

Uummm... no. I'm talking about Led Zeppelin vs Willie Dixon 1972. Google it if you're confused.
I would link it if I were you.


"Similarities with "You Need Love" led to a lawsuit against Led Zeppelin in 1985, settled out of court in favour of Dixon for an undisclosed amount.[10] On subsequent releases, Dixon's name is included on the credits for "Whole Lotta Love".[16] Plant explained in an interview with Musician:

Page's riff was Page's riff. It was there before anything else. I just thought, 'well, what am I going to sing?' That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time and influence that ... well, you only get caught when you're successful. That's the game".
THese are all frivolous. Retrospective legal cases based on a changing landscape.
My point was, which you seem to want to ignore, was that credit where due was given. Original artists were credited on the albums, following the normal pattern of blues music which was always a sharing and covering culture. WIllie Dixon copied from Howling Wolf who copied from traditional music; Muddy waters copied, Chuck Berry copied, as did Little RIchard, and they all copied from Robert Johnson.
It was only in subsequent years long after the sings were out of the chart that litigious lawyers looking to make a buck argued to gain cash. That was just the start of the wokie "cultural appropriation", which extended the obsession to include entire differnt colours of people.
You are correct, credit was given... after legal action was taken, not before. The albums cut before the suit don't credit Dixon with songwriting.

Funny, when lawyers sue it's business as usual, unless it's the little guy suing the big guy, then it's greed (shocked face!).
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LuckyR wrote: October 4th, 2021, 2:16 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 3rd, 2021, 5:18 pm
LuckyR wrote: October 3rd, 2021, 12:59 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 2nd, 2021, 5:19 am
I would link it if I were you.


"Similarities with "You Need Love" led to a lawsuit against Led Zeppelin in 1985, settled out of court in favour of Dixon for an undisclosed amount.[10] On subsequent releases, Dixon's name is included on the credits for "Whole Lotta Love".[16] Plant explained in an interview with Musician:

Page's riff was Page's riff. It was there before anything else. I just thought, 'well, what am I going to sing?' That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time and influence that ... well, you only get caught when you're successful. That's the game".
THese are all frivolous. Retrospective legal cases based on a changing landscape.
My point was, which you seem to want to ignore, was that credit where due was given. Original artists were credited on the albums, following the normal pattern of blues music which was always a sharing and covering culture. WIllie Dixon copied from Howling Wolf who copied from traditional music; Muddy waters copied, Chuck Berry copied, as did Little RIchard, and they all copied from Robert Johnson.
It was only in subsequent years long after the sings were out of the chart that litigious lawyers looking to make a buck argued to gain cash. That was just the start of the wokie "cultural appropriation", which extended the obsession to include entire differnt colours of people.
You are correct, credit was given... after legal action was taken, not before. The albums cut before the suit don't credit Dixon with songwriting.

Funny, when lawyers sue it's business as usual, unless it's the little guy suing the big guy, then it's greed (shocked face!).
Wrong.
I have original albums of Led Zep where the credit is on the sleeve.
None of your shrill objections change the fact that Led Zep were honest. And at a time when Jimi Hendrix was making money out of Bob Dylan songs and a hundred other performers were covering Beetles songs, this was the norm.
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What do people mean when they say "culture". Wittgenstein said the meaning of a word is its use. Lucky said there are two meanings of 'culture'. But actually there are more than two meaning of 'culture' as the following makes clear there are at least three main meanings of 'culture'.
https://www.newyorker.com/books/joshua- ... ng-culture

Key extract with my annotation:

The critic Raymond Williams, in his souped-up dictionary, “Keywords,” writes that “culture” has three divergent meanings:

1. there’s culture as a process of individual enrichment, as when we say that someone is “cultured” (in 1605, Francis Bacon wrote about “the culture and manurance of minds”);

2.culture as a group’s “particular way of life,” as when we talk about French culture, company culture, or multiculturalism;

3.and culture as an activity, pursued by means of the museums, concerts, books, and movies that might be encouraged by a Ministry of Culture (or covered on a blog like this one). These three senses of culture are actually quite different, and, Williams
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by Dr. Randy Ross
December 2023

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes
by Ali Master
February 2024

2022 Philosophy Books of the Month

Emotional Intelligence At Work

Emotional Intelligence At Work
by Richard M Contino & Penelope J Holt
January 2022

Free Will, Do You Have It?

Free Will, Do You Have It?
by Albertus Kral
February 2022

My Enemy in Vietnam

My Enemy in Vietnam
by Billy Springer
March 2022

2X2 on the Ark

2X2 on the Ark
by Mary J Giuffra, PhD
April 2022

The Maestro Monologue

The Maestro Monologue
by Rob White
May 2022

What Makes America Great

What Makes America Great
by Bob Dowell
June 2022

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!
by Jerry Durr
July 2022

Living in Color

Living in Color
by Mike Murphy
August 2022 (tentative)

The Not So Great American Novel

The Not So Great American Novel
by James E Doucette
September 2022

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches
by John N. (Jake) Ferris
October 2022

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All
by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
November 2022

The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity

The Smartest Person in the Room
by Christian Espinosa
December 2022

2021 Philosophy Books of the Month

The Biblical Clock: The Untold Secrets Linking the Universe and Humanity with God's Plan

The Biblical Clock
by Daniel Friedmann
March 2021

Wilderness Cry: A Scientific and Philosophical Approach to Understanding God and the Universe

Wilderness Cry
by Dr. Hilary L Hunt M.D.
April 2021

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute
by Jeff Meyer
May 2021

Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power

Surviving the Business of Healthcare
by Barbara Galutia Regis M.S. PA-C
June 2021

Winning the War on Cancer: The Epic Journey Towards a Natural Cure

Winning the War on Cancer
by Sylvie Beljanski
July 2021

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream
by Dr Frank L Douglas
August 2021

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts
by Mark L. Wdowiak
September 2021

The Preppers Medical Handbook

The Preppers Medical Handbook
by Dr. William W Forgey M.D.
October 2021

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress: A Practical Guide

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress
by Dr. Gustavo Kinrys, MD
November 2021

Dream For Peace: An Ambassador Memoir

Dream For Peace
by Dr. Ghoulem Berrah
December 2021