When a secret is no longer one
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When a secret is no longer one
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Re: When a secret is no longer one
If that is so, then we tend to find that lying is not desirable, in general, but that there are certain, quite specific, circumstances where it might well be justified. But maybe this topic will discover something different?
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This is not really a question.WanderingGaze22 wrote: ↑October 31st, 2021, 2:50 am When should a secret not be a secret? Are they truly lies we tell to prevent everyone from seeing the person we hide or are they truths not ready to be revealed? Why does it hurt as much to disclose as it is to keep it in? Where is the line between forever hurting and forever changed? Think about these questions as well as how this affects trust.
There is no such thing as a "secret" except that it is a label for a thing concealed. It says nothing about the content of the occulusion. Without knowing the reasons for the secrecy and the context concealed, there is no way to ask your question because it is not about anything.
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Secret promises, whispered across a pillow, are not legally binding. Public vows made before "God and this company" are. Keep that in mind before jumping into anything you might regret.WanderingGaze22 wrote: ↑October 31st, 2021, 2:50 am When should a secret not be a secret? Are they truly lies we tell to prevent everyone from seeing the person we hide or are they truths not ready to be revealed? Why does it hurt as much to disclose as it is to keep it in? Where is the line between forever hurting and forever changed? Think about these questions as well as how this affects trust.
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Well, what is the essence of a secret? It has nothing to do with lying nor truthtelling. A secret is just information not to be rebroadcasted. If the issue is when should one break a promise of secrecy, the answer is when more harm will occur with keeping the secret than breaking the promise. There is an implied subtext to a request for secrecy, that is that the secret is worth keeping. If the person requesting secrecy breaks this, the secret keeper is under no obligation to keep the contract, as it was broken by the other party.WanderingGaze22 wrote: ↑October 31st, 2021, 2:50 am When should a secret not be a secret? Are they truly lies we tell to prevent everyone from seeing the person we hide or are they truths not ready to be revealed? Why does it hurt as much to disclose as it is to keep it in? Where is the line between forever hurting and forever changed? Think about these questions as well as how this affects trust.
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Apologies, I meant choosing to keep a secret vs disclosing immediately.Ecurb wrote: ↑October 31st, 2021, 9:28 pmSecret promises, whispered across a pillow, are not legally binding. Public vows made before "God and this company" are. Keep that in mind before jumping into anything you might regret.WanderingGaze22 wrote: ↑October 31st, 2021, 2:50 am When should a secret not be a secret? Are they truly lies we tell to prevent everyone from seeing the person we hide or are they truths not ready to be revealed? Why does it hurt as much to disclose as it is to keep it in? Where is the line between forever hurting and forever changed? Think about these questions as well as how this affects trust.
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However in the world of academic study we find historical secrets of information lost over time, and through investigation we find these historical secrets that influence our academic fields, a prime example of this is archaeology, were secrets lye within discovery's. Theses secrets are not kept because of loyalty or any form of trust, these secret's were in some cases to protect future generation to understand the world that has long past. Some of these secrets have influenced our academic filed like religion, with the discovery of the dead sea scrolls or the discovery of the gospel of Barnaba's or the tombs in Egypt, all of witch have meany secrets within there discoveries. These secrets have gone on to be very influential in giving information about meany aspect of our world, previous society's, morals, ethics as well philosophy, anthropology, enography just to name a few.
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One of the reasons maintaining secrets is so difficult is that secrets, like unwelcome ideas, take up more brain space the more one attempts to avoid thinking about them. However, not everyone is subject to this self-defeating loop
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You can't know the difficulty of keeping a secret without considering whether keeping the secret requires lying or not.AmosMorrison wrote: ↑December 11th, 2021, 10:02 am We all have secrets, it's no secret. Maintaining them can be exhausting, but not for the reasons that most scholars have assumed for a long time. People claimed they thought about their secrets twice as much while not talking with anyone as they did when they were actively concealing them in conversation. The more frequently their minds went to a secret, the more they claimed it harmed their well-being and the less healthy they claimed they were. The more critical the secret, the more difficult it is to keep. Teenagers who confide in an adult they trust have fewer health issues, loneliness, and sadness. Multiple studies demonstrate that writing about a painful experience might increase the immune system, which is evidence in favor of disclosure.
One of the reasons maintaining secrets is so difficult is that secrets, like unwelcome ideas, take up more brain space the more one attempts to avoid thinking about them. However, not everyone is subject to this self-defeating loop
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True but at the same time, when the opportunity to have a secret occurs, we have moments to decide whether the event should be a secret or made public. What factors play into our decisiveness? Do we think about how the secret can affect the people long term or hold it in until the end of time?
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Not in my experience. Most events are kept secret due to the short-term convenience of avoiding difficult conversations or embarrassment.WanderingGaze22 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2021, 2:45 amTrue but at the same time, when the opportunity to have a secret occurs, we have moments to decide whether the event should be a secret or made public. What factors play into our decisiveness? Do we think about how the secret can affect the people long term or hold it in until the end of time?
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So do you want to tell me "how to keep a secret without considering whether keeping it requires secrecy?"LuckyR wrote: ↑December 12th, 2021, 3:27 amYou can't know the difficulty of keeping a secret without considering whether keeping the secret requires lying or not.AmosMorrison wrote: ↑December 11th, 2021, 10:02 am We all have secrets, it's no secret. Maintaining them can be exhausting, but not for the reasons that most scholars have assumed for a long time. People claimed they thought about their secrets twice as much while not talking with anyone as they did when they were actively concealing them in conversation. The more frequently their minds went to a secret, the more they claimed it harmed their well-being and the less healthy they claimed they were. The more critical the secret, the more difficult it is to keep. Teenagers who confide in an adult they trust have fewer health issues, loneliness, and sadness. Multiple studies demonstrate that writing about a painful experience might increase the immune system, which is evidence in favor of disclosure.
One of the reasons maintaining secrets is so difficult is that secrets, like unwelcome ideas, take up more brain space the more one attempts to avoid thinking about them. However, not everyone is subject to this self-defeating loop
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Whom are you quoting?AmosMorrison wrote: ↑December 13th, 2021, 10:30 amSo do you want to tell me "how to keep a secret without considering whether keeping it requires secrecy?"LuckyR wrote: ↑December 12th, 2021, 3:27 amYou can't know the difficulty of keeping a secret without considering whether keeping the secret requires lying or not.AmosMorrison wrote: ↑December 11th, 2021, 10:02 am We all have secrets, it's no secret. Maintaining them can be exhausting, but not for the reasons that most scholars have assumed for a long time. People claimed they thought about their secrets twice as much while not talking with anyone as they did when they were actively concealing them in conversation. The more frequently their minds went to a secret, the more they claimed it harmed their well-being and the less healthy they claimed they were. The more critical the secret, the more difficult it is to keep. Teenagers who confide in an adult they trust have fewer health issues, loneliness, and sadness. Multiple studies demonstrate that writing about a painful experience might increase the immune system, which is evidence in favor of disclosure.
One of the reasons maintaining secrets is so difficult is that secrets, like unwelcome ideas, take up more brain space the more one attempts to avoid thinking about them. However, not everyone is subject to this self-defeating loop
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Ofcourse you LuckyRLuckyR wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 4:37 amWhom are you quoting?AmosMorrison wrote: ↑December 13th, 2021, 10:30 amSo do you want to tell me "how to keep a secret without considering whether keeping it requires secrecy?"LuckyR wrote: ↑December 12th, 2021, 3:27 amYou can't know the difficulty of keeping a secret without considering whether keeping the secret requires lying or not.AmosMorrison wrote: ↑December 11th, 2021, 10:02 am We all have secrets, it's no secret. Maintaining them can be exhausting, but not for the reasons that most scholars have assumed for a long time. People claimed they thought about their secrets twice as much while not talking with anyone as they did when they were actively concealing them in conversation. The more frequently their minds went to a secret, the more they claimed it harmed their well-being and the less healthy they claimed they were. The more critical the secret, the more difficult it is to keep. Teenagers who confide in an adult they trust have fewer health issues, loneliness, and sadness. Multiple studies demonstrate that writing about a painful experience might increase the immune system, which is evidence in favor of disclosure.
One of the reasons maintaining secrets is so difficult is that secrets, like unwelcome ideas, take up more brain space the more one attempts to avoid thinking about them. However, not everyone is subject to this self-defeating loop
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Is the red identical to the blue?AmosMorrison wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 5:21 amOfcourse you @LuckyRLuckyR wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 4:37 amWhom are you quoting?AmosMorrison wrote: ↑December 13th, 2021, 10:30 amSo do you want to tell me "how to keep a secret without considering whether keeping it requires secrecy?"
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