Wondering About Consciousness

[GrayArea]

I know that people occasionally come by and talk about topics outside of Philosophy, so I thought I'd share something that I've been wondering about regarding consciousness. Please feel free to talk about what you think is true or false.

I've recently been wondering if consciousness was made from some sort of a dialectic system between neurons and their components. As in, the neurons creating their own language that they respond to, and from creating their own system of language separate from the laws of physics(although the language is still "based" on the laws of physics), they solidify their freedom and existence, thus creating the logical basis for sentience by separating itself from inanimate objects.

To explain further, I was wondering if each neuron cell inherently creates a biological system of “wants” or “tendencies” to sustain itself, based on their inherent functionalities. And so when they all bond together, each “tendencies” fight for their own sovereignty and during the process create their own whole dialectic system—a sort of a game of survival or a free communication system. This tendency I speak of would spring from the laws of physics—obviously because neurons are made out of certain substances that are created and governed by the laws of physics.

Perhaps the tendency of the parts of the brain to create its own language and coming up with a "reason" for each language, is what controls our consciousness, who knows. I personally think this is the case because the reason to indulge in a system makes it so the system becomes free to be itself, through engaging with itself willingly.

[GrayArea]

Seems like I've accidentally posted my edited version of the post as one of the replies—where's the darn edit/delete button when I need them...

[LuckyR]

Seems like I've accidentally posted my edited version of the post as one of the replies—where's the darn edit/delete button when I need them...

Which post do you want deleted?

[Belindi]

I know that people occasionally come by and talk about topics outside of Philosophy, so I thought I'd share something that I've been wondering about regarding consciousness. Please feel free to talk about what you think is true or false.

I've recently been wondering if consciousness was made from some sort of a dialectic system between neurons and their components. As in, the neurons creating their own language that they respond to, and from creating their own system of language separate from the laws of physics(although the language is still "based" on the laws of physics), they solidify their freedom and existence, thus creating the logical basis for sentience by separating itself from inanimate objects.

To explain further, I was wondering if each neuron cell inherently creates a biological system of “wants” or “tendencies” to sustain itself, based on their inherent functionalities. And so when they all bond together, each “tendencies” fight for their own sovereignty and during the process create their own whole dialectic system. This tendency I speak of would spring from the laws of physics—obviously because neurons are made out of certain substances that are created and governed by the laws of physics.

Perhaps the tendency of the parts of the brain to create its own language and coming up with a "reason" for each language, is what controls our consciousness, who knows. I personally think this is the case because the reason to indulge in a system makes it so the system becomes free to be itself, through engaging with itself willingly.

What you propose is that every thing is or has a mind i.e. panpsychism. Me, I believe mind is a quantity, not a quality that pertains only to the posher species and things.

[The_architect]

I believe every brain organ, human or animal or fish (if they have one), has a consciousness of different degrees. A dog can register our emotions, language and physiological changes in our body. The brain organ has a degree of consciousness inherent to it as well as language. Language is in many forms, also, to include early man's sign and grunting language. It isn't evolution as much as it is time that allowed for refinement unless you want to call that one and the same. A human consciousness has always been there and did not evolve or change with time. But there are also levels of consciousness and language that are distorted or dysfunctional as in those with mental disorders. Their brains are the same organ but wired differently due to genetics or environment. That speaks of a physical change of the brain organ and moreso as it is treated with medications that affect the organ. Our mind of consciousness, so to speak, is not a virtual entity. If that were so we would probably be able to read others' minds. The real question would be do we have our sense of consciousness upon death, do we take it with us? Based on my analysis, absolutely not. But I believe we enter a different existence, a death of this reality, but a door into a different reality where we may still have the "mind" but in the format of the soul (if you believe in that) or spirit, not the body.

[GrayArea]

I know that people occasionally come by and talk about topics outside of Philosophy, so I thought I'd share something that I've been wondering about regarding consciousness. Please feel free to talk about what you think is true or false.

I've recently been wondering if consciousness was made from some sort of a dialectic system between neurons and their components. As in, the neurons creating their own language that they respond to, and from creating their own system of language separate from the laws of physics(although the language is still "based" on the laws of physics), they solidify their freedom and existence, thus creating the logical basis for sentience by separating itself from inanimate objects.

To explain further, I was wondering if each neuron cell inherently creates a biological system of “wants” or “tendencies” to sustain itself, based on their inherent functionalities. And so when they all bond together, each “tendencies” fight for their own sovereignty and during the process create their own whole dialectic system. This tendency I speak of would spring from the laws of physics—obviously because neurons are made out of certain substances that are created and governed by the laws of physics.

Perhaps the tendency of the parts of the brain to create its own language and coming up with a "reason" for each language, is what controls our consciousness, who knows. I personally think this is the case because the reason to indulge in a system makes it so the system becomes free to be itself, through engaging with itself willingly.

What you propose is that every thing is or has a mind i.e. panpsychism. Me, I believe mind is a quantity, not a quality that pertains only to the posher species and things.

I may not have specified it further and this explanation may not do justice either, but I believe on something more than panpsychism, that unlike any substances/group of molecules, neurons have the unique ability to generate its own "rules" or "languages" (that may seemingly come from their tendencies to sustain itself + to share that information to one another) that separate them from the said other inanimate substances—thus creating a ground for sentience. I.e. Freedom to move, think, process, etc.

[GrayArea]

Seems like I've accidentally posted my edited version of the post as one of the replies—where's the darn edit/delete button when I need them...

Which post do you want deleted?

Well, I'd like to delete my very first post and keep the accidental reply which is the edited version of the first post, but would that be possible?

[GrayArea]

I believe every brain organ, human or animal or fish (if they have one), has a consciousness of different degrees. A dog can register our emotions, language and physiological changes in our body. The brain organ has a degree of consciousness inherent to it as well as language. Language is in many forms, also, to include early man's sign and grunting language. It isn't evolution as much as it is time that allowed for refinement unless you want to call that one and the same. A human consciousness has always been there and did not evolve or change with time. But there are also levels of consciousness and language that are distorted or dysfunctional as in those with mental disorders. Their brains are the same organ but wired differently due to genetics or environment. That speaks of a physical change of the brain organ and moreso as it is treated with medications that affect the organ. Our mind of consciousness, so to speak, is not a virtual entity. If that were so we would probably be able to read others' minds. The real question would be do we have our sense of consciousness upon death, do we take it with us? Based on my analysis, absolutely not. But I believe we enter a different existence, a death of this reality, but a door into a different reality where we may still have the "mind" but in the format of the soul (if you believe in that) or spirit, not the body.

I personally think that we individuals are a vessel for the driving force of the Universe, which is our "True form" so to speak. So, death to me is like our true self simply withdrawing from an "action" that we call individual life.

[Belindi]

I know that people occasionally come by and talk about topics outside of Philosophy, so I thought I'd share something that I've been wondering about regarding consciousness. Please feel free to talk about what you think is true or false.

I've recently been wondering if consciousness was made from some sort of a dialectic system between neurons and their components. As in, the neurons creating their own language that they respond to, and from creating their own system of language separate from the laws of physics(although the language is still "based" on the laws of physics), they solidify their freedom and existence, thus creating the logical basis for sentience by separating itself from inanimate objects.

To explain further, I was wondering if each neuron cell inherently creates a biological system of “wants” or “tendencies” to sustain itself, based on their inherent functionalities. And so when they all bond together, each “tendencies” fight for their own sovereignty and during the process create their own whole dialectic system. This tendency I speak of would spring from the laws of physics—obviously because neurons are made out of certain substances that are created and governed by the laws of physics.

Perhaps the tendency of the parts of the brain to create its own language and coming up with a "reason" for each language, is what controls our consciousness, who knows. I personally think this is the case because the reason to indulge in a system makes it so the system becomes free to be itself, through engaging with itself willingly.

What you propose is that every thing is or has a mind i.e. panpsychism. Me, I believe mind is a quantity, not a quality that pertains only to the posher species and things.

I may not have specified it further and this explanation may not do justice either, but I believe on something more than panpsychism, that unlike any substances/group of molecules, neurons have the unique ability to generate its own "rules" or "languages" (that may seemingly come from their tendencies to sustain itself + to share that information to one another) that separate them from the said other inanimate substances—thus creating a ground for sentience. I.e. Freedom to move, think, process, etc.

It's not easy for me to identify with a neuron , or even an entire anatomical organ such as a brain. I doubt if any of the biological sciences can usefully comment on what it is to be an intentional entity. Psychology can do so, but not the natural sciences.

On the other hand, if by "share that information with one another" you mean non-intentional causal connections, then I don't doubt that neurons do affect each other's behaviour.