Was Paradise perfect / safe place ?

[Leontiskos]

It seems to me that my initial criticism was accurate.

[Sy Borg]

It seems to me that my initial criticism was accurate.

So far you have not been unable to respond intelligibly at all, just casually throw around ad hominems.

Your responses have had all the depth of a teaspoon. Just disingenuous comments.

[Leontiskos]

It seems to me that my initial criticism was accurate.

So far you have not been unable to respond intelligibly at all...

Thank you. I think others would agree with this. The irony is also a fun touch.

[Sy Borg]

It seems to me that my initial criticism was accurate.

So far you have not been unable to respond intelligibly at all...

Thank you. I think others would agree with this. The irony is also a fun touch. :)

Do you think this content-free sniping is reflecting well on you and your opinions?

[Leontiskos]

Honestly, I'm just mildly amused. I've never seen someone dig their own grave with such abandon. It's like meeting Balaam in person.

Take care, then.

[Sy Borg]

Yes, I wrongly assumed that your claims of superior ideation to analytic philosophy were continental rather than Catholicism, which would be embarrassing if I cared. However, your Catholicism is even more anthropocentric, so at least some criticisms were okay. I admit incorrect assumptions but, still, your attack on my earlier post was misguided and reeked of tribalism.

A reminder:

Nakedness is, again, a characteristic of other animals. The message is that knowledge comes with a price, the loss of innocence. Other animals are not embarrassed to be naked, and there was a time when early humans too happily existed in the buff. Once lost, innocence generally cannot be regained, although the relative negation of ego can regain some of that loss.

A number of spiritual, and secular, practices work towards reducing the neuroticism our ego attachments so as to regain paradise. In western religions, this is achieved via deference to a posited greater power. In the east, the emphasis is more on observing just how small and ephemeral we are, god or no god. In psychology, ego problems might be addressed via cognitive therapy. In philosophy, ego can be brought under control through logic and reason. Zen leverages an egoless flow state with focused activity, with an associated philosophical underpinning to avoid being proud of their works (unlike many professionals and artists who mistake their singular skill for general specialness as a human being).

As the saying goes, "Many paths, one heaven".

Ah yes, subordination of all to the modern god of the therapeutic, who reigns supreme.

That is a tribalist and meaningless reply, complete with a straw man "modern god", as if you believe it better to wear a hair shirt than to seek respite from life's travails.

More likely, you completely misunderstood my post and then doubled down.

[Sy Borg]

Sorry Whitedragon, I'm afraid I saw red after Leon's unprovoked attack and soiled the thread. I should have risen above the cheap shot. If you like I can remove the noise to refresh the thread.

[Whitedragon]

Hi, all,
No worries,

It shouldn't be hard to continue the conversations.

My question remains from a scientific point if view as described in earlier posts, in how we can compare omnipresence to early big bang conditions, for what I would call the none space time conditions necessary to "fine tune" the universe and whether determinism makes sense from a temporal or none temporal outlook. Can we compare the "fine tuning" or many universe considered to the copenhagen interpretation ? None temporal dimension makes sense for this as it seems it would take too long in a normal space time domain.

This takes us back to the op question that paradise may have been safe, (whatever the story), and that the universe in general is justified, due to "fine tuning," or from a spiritual view, the basic god attributes, omniscience and omnipresence.

Thus I am comparing zero t conditions to god attributes to create a stepping stone for discussion between science and religion.

[Leontiskos]

Yes, I wrongly assumed that your claims of superior ideation to analytic philosophy were continental rather than Catholicism, which would be embarrassing if I cared. However, your Catholicism is even more anthropocentric, so at least some criticisms were okay. I admit incorrect assumptions but, still, your attack on my earlier post was misguided and reeked of tribalism.

You've made so many false claims and are under so many false assumptions that I wouldn't even know where to start.

[Leontiskos]

Hi, all,
No worries,

It shouldn't be hard to continue the conversations.

My question remains from a scientific point if view as described in earlier posts, in how we can compare omnipresence to early big bang conditions, for what I would call the none space time conditions necessary to "fine tune" the universe and whether determinism makes sense from a temporal or none temporal outlook. Can we compare the "fine tuning" or many universe considered to the copenhagen interpretation ? None temporal dimension makes sense for this as it seems it would take too long in a normal space time domain.

This takes us back to the op question that paradise may have been safe, (whatever the story), and that the universe in general is justified, due to "fine tuning," or from a spiritual view, the basic god attributes, omniscience and omnipresence.

Thus I am comparing zero t conditions to god attributes to create a stepping stone for discussion between science and religion.

I think you would have to say more about how you believe omnipresence relates to early big bang conditions, or how you think omniscience and omnipresence relate to "fine tuning."

[Whitedragon]

Hi, all,
No worries,

It shouldn't be hard to continue the conversations.

My question remains from a scientific point if view as described in earlier posts, in how we can compare omnipresence to early big bang conditions, for what I would call the none space time conditions necessary to "fine tune" the universe and whether determinism makes sense from a temporal or none temporal outlook. Can we compare the "fine tuning" or many universe considered to the copenhagen interpretation ? None temporal dimension makes sense for this as it seems it would take too long in a normal space time domain.

This takes us back to the op question that paradise may have been safe, (whatever the story), and that the universe in general is justified, due to "fine tuning," or from a spiritual view, the basic god attributes, omniscience and omnipresence.

Thus I am comparing zero t conditions to god attributes to create a stepping stone for discussion between science and religion.

I think you would have to say more about how you believe omnipresence relates to early big bang conditions, or how you think omniscience and omnipresence relate to "fine tuning."

Hi,

If we assume that zero t conditions, to begin with, is none space time, that may be timelessness, which can compare to god's timelessness, perhaps. God or no god, it seems we need diffrent laws of causality / causality speeds to be able to consider multiple options for the right universe ... this can not happen within temporal restrictions, it would seem, as "fine tuning" could become a never ending process.

Let's take this bit and see what we can do

Thanks