Writing throughout human history

[butimfeeling2022]

Hi all,

Humans have been writing stuff down, and when that happened exactly in their history...we really don't care here to say,

What I have to say here is that there is an impression in human beings that what they imagine, is what seems to be happening, and not that something else than what they can imagine seems to be happening, and that they can imagine how that is for the specific occasion.

Let's try to explain this with two examples:

Exampe1: Before anyone started writing something down, what was happening around anyone wasn't what was written down. (as there wasn't something written down...)

Example2: After someone writes something down, that the specific someone believes is what seems to be happening, in order for the specific someone to really find this out, the specific someone really has to do experiments...

...and when you do an experiment you can have no results as an option, you can have the expected results, or something unexpected may happen.

Whether something unexpected may happen when one does an experiment, one can simply verify, and even simpler prove to everyone by considering the below experiment:

Pick a coin, choose a side and flip it as freely as you want to live.

After you think you can decide the side the coin ends up facing you right all the time, and before you come back to me with long and tedious stories...I have a question for you?

Regardless of the time and space you live, why didn't you come now to tell me about it, as I am writing this long reply here...if you could predict the future...then why didn't you predict it a bit earlier...look at how much stuff I have to write down here...waiting for you prophet...to come back to tell me that what seems to be happening is something you imagined, and not something else than anything anyone can imagine, which is pretty simple to say, pretty simple to observe, and seems pretty fair for any human...it seems to me.

[Pattern-chaser]

Do you have a question to ask, that has even the most tenuous connection to philosophy? I'm sorry, but I can't see one here.

[JackDaydream]

Hi all,

Humans have been writing stuff down, and when that happened exactly in their history...we really don't care here to say,

What I have to say here is that there is an impression in human beings that what they imagine, is what seems to be happening, and not that something else than what they can imagine seems to be happening, and that they can imagine how that is for the specific occasion.

Let's try to explain this with two examples:

Exampe1: Before anyone started writing something down, what was happening around anyone wasn't what was written down. (as there wasn't something written down...)

Example2: After someone writes something down, that the specific someone believes is what seems to be happening, in order for the specific someone to really find this out, the specific someone really has to do experiments...

...and when you do an experiment you can have no results as an option, you can have the expected results, or something unexpected may happen.

Whether something unexpected may happen when one does an experiment, one can simply verify, and even simpler prove to everyone by considering the below experiment:

Pick a coin, choose a side and flip it as freely as you want to live.

After you think you can decide the side the coin ends up facing you right all the time, and before you come back to me with long and tedious stories...I have a question for you?

Regardless of the time and space you live, why didn't you come now to tell me about it, as I am writing this long reply here...if you could predict the future...then why didn't you predict it a bit earlier...look at how much stuff I have to write down here...waiting for you prophet...to come back to tell me that what seems to be happening is something you imagined, and not something else than anything anyone can imagine, which is pretty simple to say, pretty simple to observe, and seems pretty fair for any human...it seems to me.

Some people seem to enjoy writing more than others, as well as reading. Prior to writing as the main form of transmitting knowledge and ideas, oral traditions were extremely important. For many periods of time, reading and writing was for those privileged, while many were illiterate.

I presume that you enjoy writing and so do I, and, apart from writing on philosophy forums, one of my biggest ambitions is to write a novel oneday. One experiment which I recommend is known as morning pages, which is writing 3 pages of thoughts first thing everyday. I did it for about 6 months and found it freed up my expression of ideas. I haven't done it recently, probably because I am too busy writing philosophy posts, which may be will be the direction you go in too.

[butimfeeling2022]

Do you have a question to ask, that has even the most tenuous connection to philosophy? I'm sorry, but I can't see one here.

What do you think seems to be happening

when your imagination really follows reality,

something that you imagine, or...

something else that really seems to be happening and you simply....are really following with your imagination?

[Pattern-chaser]

Do you have a question to ask, that has even the most tenuous connection to philosophy? I'm sorry, but I can't see one here.

What do you think seems to be happening

when your imagination really follows reality,

something that you imagine, or...

something else that really seems to be happening and you simply....are really following with your imagination?

So are you asking about free will? Or maybe our ability to predict (imagine) the future? Or what?

[butimfeeling2022]

Do you have a question to ask, that has even the most tenuous connection to philosophy? I'm sorry, but I can't see one here.

What do you think seems to be happening

when your imagination really follows reality,

something that you imagine, or...

something else that really seems to be happening and you simply....are really following with your imagination?

So are you asking about free will? Or maybe our ability to predict (imagine) the future? Or what?

In order for humans to come up with a theory that approximates reality, they imagine something, and then if after they spend time and effort thinking about it, still they imagine the same something, then they have to test it in reality with experiments…but…

1) When one imagines something, something else is happening around one in reality, or if you really think otherwise…

When one imagines something something else isn’t happening around one in reality, but if you think this is really ok…

If in the end, when one imagines something, something else isn’t happening around one in reality, then it doesn’t seem to me where inside one really imagines something…does it seem to you?

2)Here’s another way to understand it: Something else than anything humans can imagine seems to be happening in reality, since the beginning of humans in reality,

Or before humans existed, what do you think was really happening?

Something that was really happening before humans existed, but that humans had to really imagine after they existed, in order for that to be possible to really happen?

3)And another way: One step before you really make everything, you haven’t really made everything yet and still something else than anything you can imagine seems to be happening…

…one step after you really make everything, the experience of one step before has to be included in whatever you made as it was before, or …you didn’t make everything.

[butimfeeling2022]

someone to no one:
Have you ever considered that I am not the one imagining stuff here?

no one to someone:
Have you ever considered that not what you imagine seems to be happening in reality, since the beginning of reality?

Probably not, so think about that also...

[AverageBozo]

someone to no one:
Have you ever considered that I am not the one imagining stuff here?

no one to someone:
Have you ever considered that not what you imagine seems to be happening in reality, since the beginning of reality?

Probably not, so think about that also...

Before there was writing there was no written history. There was only oral/aural history when there was no writing yet. Aural history was prolific pre written history.

Since human imagination is always limited by what is written and what was written throughout history, there was much more imagination before those times in which writing was.

In those days the way things were and the way things happened was limited by imagination, but since writing had not been in use yet the imagination was much less limited than later and reality was larger.

Once writing came to be written, the universe began to shrink.

[butimfeeling2022]

someone to no one:
Have you ever considered that I am not the one imagining stuff here?

no one to someone:
Have you ever considered that not what you imagine seems to be happening in reality, since the beginning of reality?

Probably not, so think about that also...

Before there was writing there was no written history. There was only oral/aural history when there was no writing yet. Aural history was prolific pre written history.

Since human imagination is always limited by what is written and what was written throughout history, there was much more imagination before those times in which writing was.

In those days the way things were and the way things happened was limited by imagination, but since writing had not been in use yet the imagination was much less limited than later and reality was larger.

Once writing came to be written, the universe began to shrink.

Before there was writing there was no written history, but there was an entire universe happening, and how that is...

...you player can't imagine that. Why?

It's something else player...

...and you still haven't read my thread or thought about it did you?