The New Dualism

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Re: The New Dualism

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Arbu123 wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 6:33 pm I see dualism as a relative theory. It can explain everything/anything. I’ve been doing studies on a physics problem for ~16 years (dualism) where two forces mix and are bound by a fundamental association. Temperature binds hot and cold, for instance. It’s like two springs in a well and we can study the mixture. I’ve given mathematics to dualism, so it’s no longer just about body and soul, it’s about particle physics, biology, chemistry, etc. I can break all of it down dualistically. Would you believe in dualism as a relative theory, or should it stay in Descartes books? It’s a physics problem and it’s pretty simple. I’ll see if I can upload some old drawings.


Examples:
Solids and gases mix (liquids are like both)
Metal and nonmetal mix (metalloids are like both)
Hereditary and acquired mix
Gamete: seed and sperm combine (ones a parasite and one’s a host)
Male and female mix (hermaphrodite’s like both)
Alive and dead mix (plants are like both)

Can anyone show me how the world isn’t dualistic?
It is not dualistic, but the moment the mind tries to grasp that information, a duality emerges. (That of "grasps" and "does not grasp")
People perceive gray and argue about whether it's black or white.
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Arbu123 wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 6:33 pm Can anyone show me how the world isn’t dualistic?
GrayArea wrote: April 7th, 2022, 2:21 am It is not dualistic, but the moment the mind tries to grasp that information, a duality emerges.
Yes, I think the apparent duality is a part of our human way of looking at things, and nothing to do with those things themselves, or indeed the world. The universe is one thing; how can it be dualistic? We divide the universe - invalid though that division might be - because we have no choice. The universe is just too big, too wide and too deep for our minds to grasp in one go. We have to split it up, and then split it again, and again, until the pieces are small enough for us to 'digest'. This - the way humans sense/perceive - is what gives rise to our perception of dualism, I think. It's an illusion, even if it doesn't look that way.
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No matter how many times you cut down reality, the pieces are always dualistic in nature. Particle physics for example:
Solid, liquid, gas.
Metal, metalloid, nonmetal.
Positive, neutral, negative.
And all things that are broken down are broken down this way, even biology and beyond.
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Arbu123 wrote: April 7th, 2022, 8:49 am No matter how many times you cut down reality, the pieces are always dualistic in nature. Particle physics for example:
Solid, liquid, gas.
Metal, metalloid, nonmetal.
Positive, neutral, negative.
And all things that are broken down are broken down this way, even biology and beyond.
Indeed. 👍 But I think the important understanding to be drawn from this is that the dualism is directly caused by the 'cutting down of reality', it is not an intrinsic aspect of reality itself.
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I think it is an intrinsic aspect of reality like math. Literally everything is divided by opposites.
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Arbu123 wrote: April 7th, 2022, 8:49 am No matter how many times you cut down reality, the pieces are always dualistic in nature. Particle physics for example:
Solid, liquid, gas.
Metal, metalloid, nonmetal.
Positive, neutral, negative.
And all things that are broken down are broken down this way, even biology and beyond.
You gave three examples of things that are triple, and you claim that they are dual. Clearly they are not dual (or dual-istic).

You need to define what you mean by dualism. "Dualism" literally just means a theory about two things. There is a huge difference between, say, soul-body dualism and self-world dualism, not to mention your claims about "hot-cold dualism."
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Opposites mix, creating a middle ground, like liquid as opposed to solid and gas.
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Arbu123 wrote: April 7th, 2022, 3:51 pm Opposites mix, creating a middle ground, like liquid as opposed to solid and gas.
So you believe that liquid is formed by the mixture of solid and gas?
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Tightly compacted atoms and loosely compacted atoms are opposites.
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Arbu123 wrote: April 7th, 2022, 3:54 pm Tightly compacted atoms and loosely compacted atoms are opposites.
If all three states are explained by density of atoms, then you are back to a form of "monism." The difference between objects which are close together and objects which are far apart is not a difference between two fundamentally different kinds of things.
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Loose and tight. What YOURE observing is the fundamental association
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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 7th, 2022, 8:20 am
Arbu123 wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 6:33 pm Can anyone show me how the world isn’t dualistic?
GrayArea wrote: April 7th, 2022, 2:21 am It is not dualistic, but the moment the mind tries to grasp that information, a duality emerges.
Yes, I think the apparent duality is a part of our human way of looking at things, and nothing to do with those things themselves, or indeed the world. The universe is one thing; how can it be dualistic? We divide the universe - invalid though that division might be - because we have no choice. The universe is just too big, too wide and too deep for our minds to grasp in one go. We have to split it up, and then split it again, and again, until the pieces are small enough for us to 'digest'. This - the way humans sense/perceive - is what gives rise to our perception of dualism, I think. It's an illusion, even if it doesn't look that way.
I agree. It is human nature to define things around them, and to define is to divide.
People perceive gray and argue about whether it's black or white.
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