Is Christianity Logical?

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Nick_A
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Is Christianity Logical?

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Is perennial Christianity logical? By perennial I mean the essence of Christianity always existing as opposed to more modern man made interpretations called Christendom by those like Kierkegaard.
I believe that one identical thought is to be found—expressed very precisely and with only slight differences of modality—in. . .Pythagoras, Plato, and the Greek Stoics. . .in the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad Gita; in the Chinese Taoist writings and. . .Buddhism. . .in the dogmas of the Christian faith and in the writings of the greatest Christian mystics. . .I believe that this thought is the truth, and that it today requires a modern and Western form of expression. That is to say, it should be expressed through the only approximately good thing we can call our own, namely science. This is all the less difficult because it is itself the origin of science. Simone Weil….Simone Pétrement, Simone Weil: A Life, Random House, 1976, p. 488

"To restore to science as a whole, for mathematics as well as psychology and sociology, the sense of its origin and veritable destiny as a bridge leading toward God---not by diminishing, but by increasing precision in demonstration, verification and supposition---that would indeed be a task worth accomplishing." Simone Weil
If the universe is structured on laws we have yet to understand, this doesn't deny faith. Noesis allows us to sense the truth of what we cannot understand.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. Albert Einstein
Modern beliefs suggests that science will disprove the reality of a conscious source for our existence. Those like Simone and Einstein suggest that science may prove the necessity for a conscious Source. Are they mad or do they just sense conscious evolution as a part of a human future?
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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If science proves a conscious source, then it is a scientific source, which means has nothing to do with religion. Thinking of finding God by science is nonsense, because, if it is found by science, then he has all the limits of things found by science.
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Angelo Cannata wrote: May 15th, 2022, 7:52 am If science proves a conscious source, then it is a scientific source, which means has nothing to do with religion. Thinking of finding God by science is nonsense, because, if it is found by science, then he has all the limits of things found by science.
The idea isn't finding God as the ultimate idolatry. The idea is if science can prove the necessity for a conscious source for our universe. Contemplation of a conscious source is the task of religion.
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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Nick_A wrote: May 15th, 2022, 9:57 am The idea isn't finding God as the ultimate idolatry. The idea is if science can prove the necessity for a conscious source for our universe. Contemplation of a conscious source is the task of religion.
Science isn't able to prove a conscious source even in studying the behaviour of humans and animals, how can it find a conscious source in the universe? Science has no idea of the meaning of "conscious", unless you accept as enough the idea on consciousness related to medicine, which is a very shallow concept, just useful to deal with patients, medicines, hospitals.
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Angelo Cannata wrote: May 15th, 2022, 12:14 pm
Nick_A wrote: May 15th, 2022, 9:57 am The idea isn't finding God as the ultimate idolatry. The idea is if science can prove the necessity for a conscious source for our universe. Contemplation of a conscious source is the task of religion.
Science isn't able to prove a conscious source even in studying the behaviour of humans and animals, how can it find a conscious source in the universe? Science has no idea of the meaning of "conscious", unless you accept as enough the idea on consciousness related to medicine, which is a very shallow concept, just useful to deal with patients, medicines, hospitals.
Consider how Einstein expressed it:
The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. Albert Einstein
Suppose science advances to such a degree that many scientists conclude that the universe could not exist without a conscious source for its creation. Wouldn't this open new doors for conscious contemplation?
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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We must not confuse science with the feelings and emotions expressed by scientists. A fart made by a scientist :-) doesn’t become science just because it was made by a scientist. If all scientists of the world were fulfilled by strong emotions that make them feel that God exists and planned our universe, it doesn’t mean that from then on God becomes scientifically demonstrated. Science is made by scientists when they make science. The text of Einstein that you quoted is not science, even if it was written by Einstein.
If all scientists of the world conclude that the world implies an intelligent plan, as a first thing I would try to understand how aware scientists are about the philosophical problems implied by such thoughts. Not all scientists are good at philosophy and I have seen some of them invading the field of philosophy with a really surprising philosophical naivety.
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