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Consul wrote: June 29th, 2022, 2:32 pmStephen Mumford defines "privation" as follows: …
The Oxford English Dictionary defines "privation" as "the condition of being deprived of or being without some attribute formerly or properly possessed; the loss, or (loosely) the mere absence of a quality, a negative quality", and Oxford Lexico defines it as "the loss or absence of a quality or attribute that is normally present".
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The Beast wrote: June 29th, 2022, 2:49 pm Another good example of relevancy: A rock can be soluble and insoluble depending on the solvent.
And even in water, though that takes a long time (in which case it's called "erosion").
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GE Morton wrote: June 30th, 2022, 1:08 pm
The Beast wrote: June 29th, 2022, 2:49 pm Another good example of relevancy: A rock can be soluble and insoluble depending on the solvent.
And even in water, though that takes a long time (in which case it's called "erosion").
A colloidal solution. The category is the seen and the unseen… or merely depending on technology.
However. Truth and falsehood where falsehood is a property of the will might be a good example.
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Consul wrote: June 30th, 2022, 1:35 am
Consul wrote: June 29th, 2022, 2:32 pmStephen Mumford defines "privation" as follows: …
The Oxford English Dictionary defines "privation" as "the condition of being deprived of or being without some attribute formerly or properly possessed; the loss, or (loosely) the mere absence of a quality, a negative quality", and Oxford Lexico defines it as "the loss or absence of a quality or attribute that is normally present".
IMO privation and absence are synonymous isomorphisms. However, synonymous isomorphisms is not a condition for substitutivity of expressions as privation may be in the category of intentional isomorphism as well. In the case of absence of truth and privation of truth they may be synonymous, but privation of truth may have dire consequences that correlate with knowledge and human suffering.
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Astro Cat wrote: June 29th, 2022, 7:52 am Do you think properties can be privative?

What do you think is going on when someone says, “the towel is dry,” “the room is dark,” or “the drawer is empty?”

Is “the towel is dry” equivalent to “the towel is not-wet?” Is there a difference between that and “the towel is-not wet?”
Yes, there is a subtle difference. Many, if not most assume that various variables have a binary set of states: tall or short, wet or dry etc. Of course we all know that Real Life generally comes in spectrums from one state to the other, not merely the two poles. Thus dry and not wet are identical in a world with two states of moisture content, but are different in a world with a spectrum of moisture states from the total absence of water to total water saturation.
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Astro Cat wrote: June 29th, 2022, 7:52 am Do you think properties can be privative?

What do you think is going on when someone says, “the towel is dry,” “the room is dark,” or “the drawer is empty?”

Is “the towel is dry” equivalent to “the towel is not-wet?” Is there a difference between that and “the towel is-not wet?”
The omnipresence of truth may not be my objective truth or my subjective truth and certainly not my psychological truth. Objectively, my subjective truth could be stochastic and with the randomness of my mental condition. Objectively, I know I am human therefore, I suffer from the human condition. I hold my subjective truth as the link to the omnipresence of truth. It will be hard to be wrong. Basically, I will have to confess my mischievousness and ask for forgiveness if I misdirect the basic truth with the extension of my fantasy. This of course is not possible since I been told I think I am always right, and my fantasies are the result of the omnipresence of truth favoring my methods. It is also possible that you misunderstood by filtering the truth with your faulty psychological system. Of course, you are wrong. You may recover with proper diet and more studying and surely keep the method of the dry towel as a metaphor to the emotions resulted from being a fool (hiding the truth of something or how is it wet).
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