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stevie wrote: June 29th, 2022, 1:34 am
JackDaydream wrote: June 28th, 2022, 9:43 am What Are the Most Important Philosophy Questions and, Are the Questions as Important as Answers?
Three questions appear:
1. What is the self? (related questions might be: 'What/who am I?' or 'Does the self exist?')
2. What is cognition? (a related question might be: What is the relationship between cognition and the cognized?)
3. Are issues 1 and 2 connected? If so, how?

Of course these questions are only momentary snapshots and upon further thinking about the expressions they might appear to be inappropriate and better expressions might arise.
Also I don't think that these questions are suitable for discussion because the conceptual objects expressed are by nature non-evident and thus speculations are likely to abound which is problematic since question 2 has not yet been clarified and also question 1 and 3 appear to be touched upon when it comes to speculations.
It appears that every post that isn't based on an awareness about issues 1-3 is based on ignorance because there is no awareness about what might be thinking the thoughts expressed in a post and because there is no awareness about the possible/potential causes and conditions of the arising of these thoughts that are expressed.
Of course it is completely non-evident whether a post is based on the awarenesses mentioned, so judgement is impossible.

I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specifc topic and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without diciplining yourself!
mankind ... must act and reason and believe; though they are not able, by their most diligent enquiry, to satisfy themselves concerning the foundation of these operations, or to remove the objections, which may be raised against them [Hume]
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stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:16 pm
stevie wrote: June 29th, 2022, 1:34 am
JackDaydream wrote: June 28th, 2022, 9:43 am What Are the Most Important Philosophy Questions and, Are the Questions as Important as Answers?
Three questions appear:
1. What is the self? (related questions might be: 'What/who am I?' or 'Does the self exist?')
2. What is cognition? (a related question might be: What is the relationship between cognition and the cognized?)
3. Are issues 1 and 2 connected? If so, how?

Of course these questions are only momentary snapshots and upon further thinking about the expressions they might appear to be inappropriate and better expressions might arise.
Also I don't think that these questions are suitable for discussion because the conceptual objects expressed are by nature non-evident and thus speculations are likely to abound which is problematic since question 2 has not yet been clarified and also question 1 and 3 appear to be touched upon when it comes to speculations.
It appears that every post that isn't based on an awareness about issues 1-3 is based on ignorance because there is no awareness about what might be thinking the thoughts expressed in a post and because there is no awareness about the possible/potential causes and conditions of the arising of these thoughts that are expressed.
Of course it is completely non-evident whether a post is based on the awarenesses mentioned, so judgement is impossible.

I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specifc topic and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without diciplining yourself!
I am not sure why you have raised my post as a specific topic and the only reason why I haven't replied to your post on the thread I wrote is because I got caught up in another thread. I am completely aware that you dismiss my ideas because you see them as speculation, as you have sent me endless replies. Perhaps, I need a summer break from the forum....What do you see the value of reading a philosophy forum? . As I see it, philosophy, and life, comes with so much uncertainty. What do you think about certainty and uncertainty?
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JackDaydream wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:28 pm
stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:16 pm
stevie wrote: June 29th, 2022, 1:34 am
JackDaydream wrote: June 28th, 2022, 9:43 am What Are the Most Important Philosophy Questions and, Are the Questions as Important as Answers?
Three questions appear:
1. What is the self? (related questions might be: 'What/who am I?' or 'Does the self exist?')
2. What is cognition? (a related question might be: What is the relationship between cognition and the cognized?)
3. Are issues 1 and 2 connected? If so, how?

Of course these questions are only momentary snapshots and upon further thinking about the expressions they might appear to be inappropriate and better expressions might arise.
Also I don't think that these questions are suitable for discussion because the conceptual objects expressed are by nature non-evident and thus speculations are likely to abound which is problematic since question 2 has not yet been clarified and also question 1 and 3 appear to be touched upon when it comes to speculations.
It appears that every post that isn't based on an awareness about issues 1-3 is based on ignorance because there is no awareness about what might be thinking the thoughts expressed in a post and because there is no awareness about the possible/potential causes and conditions of the arising of these thoughts that are expressed.
Of course it is completely non-evident whether a post is based on the awarenesses mentioned, so judgement is impossible.

I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specifc topic and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without diciplining yourself!
I am not sure why you have raised my post as a specific topic and the only reason why I haven't replied to your post on the thread I wrote is because I got caught up in another thread. I am completely aware that you dismiss my ideas because you see them as speculation, as you have sent me endless replies. Perhaps, I need a summer break from the forum....
Sorry, but it appears that you cannot read my opening post without carrying into it your "I" and "my" sentiments. Just let go of all your sentiments and try to read my opening post neutrally. It has nothing to do with you although it may be inspired by one of your posts.
JackDaydream wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:28 pm What do you see the value of reading a philosophy forum? . As I see it, philosophy, and life, comes with so much uncertainty. What do you think about certainty and uncertainty?
I get inspirations from reading a philosophy forum. "certainty" and "uncertainty" are no relevant concepts for me.
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stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:43 pm
JackDaydream wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:28 pm
stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:16 pm It appears that every post that isn't based on an awareness about issues 1-3 is based on ignorance because there is no awareness about what might be thinking the thoughts expressed in a post and because there is no awareness about the possible/potential causes and conditions of the arising of these thoughts that are expressed.
Of course it is completely non-evident whether a post is based on the awarenesses mentioned, so judgement is impossible.

I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specifc topic and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without diciplining yourself!
I am not sure why you have raised my post as a specific topic and the only reason why I haven't replied to your post on the thread I wrote is because I got caught up in another thread. I am completely aware that you dismiss my ideas because you see them as speculation, as you have sent me endless replies. Perhaps, I need a summer break from the forum....
Sorry, but it appears that you cannot read my opening post without carrying into it your "I" and "my" sentiments. Just let go of all your sentiments and try to read my opening post neutrally. It has nothing to do with you although it may be inspired by one of your posts.
Nevertheless your reply is of course of valuable one because it conforms with my appeal "Feel free to post any of your thoughts without diciplining yourself!" and is a valuable inspiration for me.
So, thank you! Don't feel censured by my spontaneous reply!
mankind ... must act and reason and believe; though they are not able, by their most diligent enquiry, to satisfy themselves concerning the foundation of these operations, or to remove the objections, which may be raised against them [Hume]
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stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 10:03 pm
stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:43 pm
JackDaydream wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:28 pm
stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:16 pm It appears that every post that isn't based on an awareness about issues 1-3 is based on ignorance because there is no awareness about what might be thinking the thoughts expressed in a post and because there is no awareness about the possible/potential causes and conditions of the arising of these thoughts that are expressed.
Of course it is completely non-evident whether a post is based on the awarenesses mentioned, so judgement is impossible.

I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specifc topic and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without diciplining yourself!
I am not sure why you have raised my post as a specific topic and the only reason why I haven't replied to your post on the thread I wrote is because I got caught up in another thread. I am completely aware that you dismiss my ideas because you see them as speculation, as you have sent me endless replies. Perhaps, I need a summer break from the forum....
Sorry, but it appears that you cannot read my opening post without carrying into it your "I" and "my" sentiments. Just let go of all your sentiments and try to read my opening post neutrally. It has nothing to do with you although it may be inspired by one of your posts.
Nevertheless your reply is of course of valuable one because it conforms with my appeal "Feel free to post any of your thoughts without diciplining yourself!" and is a valuable inspiration for me.
So, thank you! Don't feel censured by my spontaneous reply!
No, I am not annoyed with you for writing your reply and I do like to read some of the posts you write. The one which made me smile was where you told me that I used the terms of physics more like ornaments. Your thinking style is extremely different from mine, but that may be the interesting aspect of forum discussion. Certainly, you raise the issue of speculation and its potential problems in cognition, and the need for an empirical basis for knowledge and judgement.
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JackDaydream wrote: July 1st, 2022, 10:23 pm Certainly, you raise the issue of speculation and its potential problems in cognition, and the need for an empirical basis for knowledge and judgement.
There is the processing of sounds (spoken words) or signs (written words) and this processing results in cognition. But what do the sounds and signs refer to if they are meant to refer to anything different from themselves (as mere sounds or mere signs)?
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stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 11:12 pm
JackDaydream wrote: July 1st, 2022, 10:23 pm Certainly, you raise the issue of speculation and its potential problems in cognition, and the need for an empirical basis for knowledge and judgement.
There is the processing of sounds (spoken words) or signs (written words) and this processing results in cognition. But what do the sounds and signs refer to if they are meant to refer to anything different from themselves (as mere sounds or mere signs)?
The issue of sounds as a form of communication is important because tone and volume say so much. I went to some creative writing workshops in which I had to read my writing and the spoken performance was so different from simply putting together a story on paper. Voice and sound are of key importance, especially in the form of singing songs. I know some people who do perform as singers and even see the voice as being like a musical instrument to be mastered and developed skillfully.
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JackDaydream wrote: July 2nd, 2022, 4:32 pm
stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 11:12 pm
JackDaydream wrote: July 1st, 2022, 10:23 pm Certainly, you raise the issue of speculation and its potential problems in cognition, and the need for an empirical basis for knowledge and judgement.
There is the processing of sounds (spoken words) or signs (written words) and this processing results in cognition. But what do the sounds and signs refer to if they are meant to refer to anything different from themselves (as mere sounds or mere signs)?
The issue of sounds as a form of communication is important because tone and volume say so much. I went to some creative writing workshops in which I had to read my writing and the spoken performance was so different from simply putting together a story on paper. Voice and sound are of key importance, especially in the form of singing songs. I know some people who do perform as singers and even see the voice as being like a musical instrument to be mastered and developed skillfully.
That nicely descibes appearances based on word processing.
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stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:16 pm I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specific topic, and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without disciplining yourself!
My thoughts: I would like to discuss these issues with you, but you may not accept the validity of any words/concepts I choose to offer (judging from previous conversations). This makes discussion ... difficult, at times. 😉
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Pattern-chaser wrote: July 3rd, 2022, 7:21 am I would like to discuss these issues with you, but you may not accept the validity of any words/concepts I choose to offer (judging from previous conversations). This makes discussion ... difficult, at times. 😉
N.B. I acknowledge and respect that - like Cratylus, but for different reasons - you acknowledge, but refuse to answer, a question whose meaning is unclear, unconfirmed, maybe unknown. But I regret that it means I cannot discuss your ideas with you, as some of them seem interesting.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: July 3rd, 2022, 7:21 am
stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:16 pm I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specific topic, and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without disciplining yourself!
My thoughts: I would like to discuss these issues with you, but you may not accept the validity of any words/concepts I choose to offer (judging from previous conversations). This makes discussion ... difficult, at times. 😉
This reply also complies with "Feel free to post any of your thoughts without disciplining yourself! ", so it's fine. It seems however that you are confusing "posting one's thoughts" with "discussion".
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stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:16 pm I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specific topic, and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without disciplining yourself!
Pattern-chaser wrote: July 3rd, 2022, 7:21 am My thoughts: I would like to discuss these issues with you, but you may not accept the validity of any words/concepts I choose to offer (judging from previous conversations). This makes discussion ... difficult, at times. 😉
stevie wrote: July 4th, 2022, 12:33 am This reply also complies with "Feel free to post any of your thoughts without disciplining yourself! ", so it's fine. It seems however that you are confusing "posting one's thoughts" with "discussion".
I would love to have a discussion with you, but you seem to resist that by any means possible. I think that's a shame.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: July 4th, 2022, 5:47 am
stevie wrote: July 1st, 2022, 9:16 pm I acknowledge that this post actually doesn't introduce a specific topic, and therefore I can simply ask what thoughts appear to you upon reading this post. Feel free to post any of your thoughts without disciplining yourself!
Pattern-chaser wrote: July 3rd, 2022, 7:21 am My thoughts: I would like to discuss these issues with you, but you may not accept the validity of any words/concepts I choose to offer (judging from previous conversations). This makes discussion ... difficult, at times. 😉
stevie wrote: July 4th, 2022, 12:33 am This reply also complies with "Feel free to post any of your thoughts without disciplining yourself! ", so it's fine. It seems however that you are confusing "posting one's thoughts" with "discussion".
I would love to have a discussion with you, but you seem to resist that by any means possible. I think that's a shame.
Discussion does not make sense when the topic is non-evident. And if the topic is evident discussion doesn't make sense either.

I am expressing what appears to me and this can't be dicussed. Or would you want to argue with me "No this is not what appears to you" :lol:
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stevie wrote: July 4th, 2022, 6:42 am Discussion does not make sense when the topic is non-evident. And if the topic is evident discussion doesn't make sense either.

I am expressing what appears to me and this can't be dicussed. Or would you want to argue with me "No this is not what appears to you" :lol:
Posting on any forum is usually considered to be an interactive pursuit. I don't seek to argue (fight) with you, but only to discuss ideas, and to exchange views ... interactively. You post, but you always find a reason not to interact. I don't understand what you hope to gain from posting here, when you work so hard to avoid conversation?
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Pattern-chaser wrote: July 4th, 2022, 8:33 am
stevie wrote: July 4th, 2022, 6:42 am Discussion does not make sense when the topic is non-evident. And if the topic is evident discussion doesn't make sense either.

I am expressing what appears to me and this can't be dicussed. Or would you want to argue with me "No this is not what appears to you" :lol:
Posting on any forum is usually considered to be an interactive pursuit. I don't seek to argue (fight) with you, but only to discuss ideas, and to exchange views ... interactively. You post, but you always find a reason not to interact. I don't understand what you hope to gain from posting here, when you work so hard to avoid conversation?
I don't avoid conversation and actually we do converse, don't we? It may be however that the conversation doesn't meet your expectations. I express what appears to me and you may express what appears to you. Don't know whether this then is what you call "exchange views". "view" appears to be an opinion about s.th. but I doubt that I express an opinion about what appears to me when expressing what appears to me. What do you think?
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